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Episode 92 · 3 months ago

ADCC referee Eduardo Crema interview

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Fresh off the largest trials in ADCC history. The guys scored a good one for you as Eduardo Crema ADCC veteran referee sits down and answers all our ADCC questions. A unique peak behind the ADCC curtain for sure. 

Talking about the fights last night. Did you get to watch? Yes, sir, I lost the parley thanks to Peter. Yeah, brow me to Ah me too. The well, you know what, like I lost it in the fight before going to stick on Gilbert because I was like I just didn't want to go against him, you know, and I thought he was gonna pull it off for a while, you know, but I mean, I was playing the odds. So, but it was a good vibe. You know, the thing about bending in the UFC side, you got to pick the dark horse, right. It's like who's going to make you money? Yeah, if not, it had, it's not, it's not worth it. So I definitely I had Gilbert and one of my parlay's because I know it's going to be close, like it was. But my second parley, which was like my safe one, quote unquote, with Peter in it, and I had outside on it. And then the minute that third round happened and Ali Yo got had his back, I was like fuck, yeah, I already knew. Yeah, man, I thought like you know where he could lose, you could just try ash that second round, but don't let it happen again. And then what happens in the third round. freaking happen again. Man, correct, Dude. Honestly, it put you know good at all. Gio Prom trying to set this up, but I can't make a good angle. But yeah, man, good on here. They'll be like he he busted a lot of haters, you know, mean like my I want a good man. Thought he was gonna get destroy yeah, I'll me too, man. I saw nothing in that first fight that would that led me to believe he'd be able to do anything like he did last night. So shout out to him, for sure. Man, he what you know? The thing he kept saying that I was hurt. I was hurt, and a man he was. I mean surgery, look creme and yeah, he look way better. Did you see him in the way INS that dude like muscles were running your rip out of his body. Man, he was in shape. He was ready to go. Dre You know what's funny is like ADCC winner, Tim Kenio, he made thanking your look back when he's right. So he beat King, you know. So I knew he was for real, but I just didn't know he had it. Hey, I'm not gonna lie, mad respect, you know, I lost my parley, but you know, I probably bet against him next time. Not gonna lie down, man. Yeah, he already called out Cuz I don't know if he saw, but he called out TJ. Yeah, no, I didn't, and Tus you get. Yeah, it should be TJ and they the winner gets Peter Again, you know. Yep. Yeah. And then, I mean San Hagan's in there. He's going to be hanging on. He's going to be seeing who wins what whatever. You might get the loser of TJ and Alio. So I mean all those guys were sick. Man. Six, six, yeah, it was a good, good old night of fights. And Yeah, I'm the guy. I'm out to catch it. I was at the giants game, so I didn't get back in time to capcify. It's not been wrong with that opening weekend, right, YEP, Yep. Yeah, yeah, guys. And while, though, I'm just going to be asking questions about, like the event itself. You know, a lot of people talking about they don't understand the rules. Dude. We were standing next to some guys on day two that had competed on day one and they were asking me questions. They didn't even understand the rules. So I there's a a lot of questions that are super simple to answer. That I mean if you just paid attention to the rules sheet or went to the rules meeting. I'm sure you guys Veri fight all this, but that's all. And then I just to talk about some of the matches and then anything you want to talk about, whenever you want. Brother, absolutely absolutely got your bro this is the motivation, everybody. Welcome to another episode of you do. That's coast to coast, to podcast that talks about what's important on and off the mats. So glad you all could join us for this special episode. I have been so pumped for this because we got our man back fresh off the biggest ADCC trials of all time. Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome ATCC referee and the water look, Gamma and waterlow. Welcome back to the Jiujit theid on neighborhood, my brother. How you doing and how did Vegas treat you can't complain. Thanks. Thanks to be back on this. It's fun. Just had a great time. Learned a lot. I think I'm a better raft and JIU Jitsu dude afterwards. Just seeing so many winners in one place. You know, just your feet off of that so being good. Dude. That's what we were seeing. I said, you know what, just being in the building like by levels, it's a...

...feeling, that vibe, dude, it was. It was just an awesome experience for everybody out there. If you did not get a chance to go to the trials, and there's still a chance to go to the big show coming up in September, so grab your ticket while you can. You will not, you will not regret it, I promise you. Right, guys, training this week was fire. Just just thinking about these guys, right, it was just, yes, thinking about these guys doing it. It was awesome. Yes, yes, you, you hit the nail right on the head. Onezero percent, man, that's all the right home. All every day this last week we've just been so pumpy, just been so excited to just be on the mats no matter what. So if we got to share the match with you this last week, we appreciate you all. Correct. So and what? Well, let's let's freaking jump into these questions, Bro people have been chomping at the bits. People have questions, people didn't understand. And what do you think it is about ADCC that people may not understand the rules? So couple things to that question. A SI's been around for a long, long time, so it's it's not like it's new to to wonder about rules. It's just that we understand now that it's super more mainstream, more of you know, quote unquote, the Olympics of our sport. So the fact that people don't look at the rules when they compete lets me to believe that you just doing it just for the Instagram Post. Bro All, like the guys that win, the gals that win have plans. They know what they're coming into. Okay, I have a good wrestler, this is what I'm going to do, or I have somebody with a great guard and great leglow game. This is what I'm going to do. It's very specific. People move with like assertiveness. It's just a step progress to it. It's two different matches. If you think about it, you're doing something that's no points and then points right, it's divided into so it's two different matches for every single opponent you have. So it's very intricated. Absolutely, there's a lot of leeway for us rafts and then judges, and again I'm just the RAFF. The judges are the ones that give your points. So guys and and they look up when they do something. It's like, dude, this is not I bejf, this is not something else. You don't look up with the raft and ware for your points. The points come from the table. So they don't understand that and I'm like, why would you sign up something you don't understand? Read the rules, do the REF meeting. With that said, you know who's are the REF meetings. Gordon Ryan, his guys, boom be team. So these guys know the rules and they're still there. You know, it's one of those things. This is like, if you want to win, do what the winners do, you know, I mean it's not Rocka Science, it's not anything like that. Just do what the winners are doing. Go listen and this is what it is, you know. But yeah, I hope that answer that question. Yeah, definitely, man, there there's no secret there. And you know what, I'm feeling super bad right now because I'm the worst cohost ever. I didn't introduce my cousin, who we celebrated the whole weekend with. Cuz, how you doing today? Man, it's all right because I'm glad you remember me out here, the little man on the Totem Pole. No, I'm good, man, I'm really good answering questions. I'm sorry, because I know you're super excited about this. Now, it's okay. I know you're super excited about this and you know we've been talking about this for a while and yeah, you know, we're like like cousin Frank said, we were pumped at in vegans like day one. We got there kind of you know, what do we expect? What is this going to be like? And they energies just started flowing from that day, day to we just built up on top of that and it, like you guys said, we've just been riding that wave consistently since then, like pump motivated. Seeing everyone out there like totally motivated, brought like got you know, I can't speak for frank, but I know we've, you know, kind of talked a little bit about it. But just, you know, not just going to Jiu Jitsu, but changing and focusing things outside of Jiu Jitsu to focus in on where our goals are, where we want to be, you know, in the Jiu Jitsu live nutrition and all that, getting sleep, all these things. Man, just going to that event like man, just energize you like no other. So yeah, I'm totally stoked for, you know, to talk to you and hear some of the things that you know that you could bring to the table on, you know, as being a rep what you got, what you saw. Yeah, it's just like you know it there on the wing. You just do yeah, I'm sorry, what was that? No, it just just being on around winners. That's what you do. You're a victim of your environment if you happen to run yourself with a thousand winners or people who think they're going to win. Obviously not every single one of a win, but yeah, they have that mentality. You can't help but do the same thing. Right. So it's good. It's...

...now, I mean as a reb like you saw there. I mean there's a few incidents, like, I know we were watching some of the matches and I don't think you were repping this one, but there's a little controversy over in the corner, you know, on some of the some of the mats and stuff like that. You know. So what do you do? I mean, you know where people didn't receive points for like takedowns or you you know. Can you explain how you know takedowns are school ord in ATCC. You know, you know what happens. Absolutely, absolutely so ATCC super hard to score. For example, I grab you, I do a double leg take down right, I hit you. Your Butt or hip hits the Mat right, if you if you hit the mat and you turtle up and you wait a one, two, three count, then then at the the the takedown is completely negated. So now I can pull guart and there's no points. Okay. So all these people always forget this and what they do is that they get Super Mad with and they'll get the takedown points. It's like, dude, like you didn't get to take it down points. It's like it's clear on the rules. The total positions a big thing. You're passing my guard. You know. I go to turtle and it takes happen from there, and then it could look all sorts of different ways. And you just told completely negate it points. Or, for example, you took me down and I went for us a mission. Submission was compelling and the lasted more than three seconds. It might they get your points depending on where the submit, where the position goes. So it's very intricated. If you don't know the points. Then guys or gals can go and get just mad and frustrated after that and then the person does moving and on the stands where they're doing wins. It's just as easy as that. So it's like go to the rules meeting. I was there on Friday, right on Friday. We set up Friday evening the there was a lot of people. You know, go for them. There was a lot of people in the rules meeting, but like, Hey, you know, the winners are there. Let me closes up as my dogs marking a Chris. I no worried. Yeah, you know, mean like there's a there's definitely the winners are there. You know, I mean like the handsl guys. Gordon had his big guy there. They got that made the finals. You know I mean yeah, so like I have one of my big guys. They're competing and I'm like why were you that rule meeting? You know? I mean, like it's just like, dude, this is what the winners are doing. They know the rules. Why you not there? So that's what I would recommend to people. Like you want to do trials, go to the rules me like you need to understand that. If I try to he'll hook you for seventeen seconds and then you come up and then you get mad because you don't get two points. Well, it's because the heel hook was deep, it was compelling. It it get it the sweet it's easy as that. You know, I did get there was a couple of resets that I got some hate on, on flow grapp playing, and then there was a couple people that send me their matches online just because of it. You know, they weren't like mad or anything, they were like, Hey, I need to understand this better. You could you give me the points break down? For example, negative points go towards your total score, which is different than I bjf. You know, I betjf. For example, if you, you and me are going to to and they got a negative and I got an advantage, we're literally zero, zero, you know, if you think about it, where even so, then it's a reugh decision. If I go to ADCC and you're me a going and it's two to two and I have a negative, then it's actual that total score which will be two to one to me, so I will lose the match. Okay. So, all right, gut. So guys are mad because, like, well, I only had one negative. I'm like, that's a negative point, not a negative like advantage. That's the dude, like real manuals, exactly rule meeting. These guys broke it down. Mo Half has a video with Carlos and Peter With it, pretty much like the head judges or like the senior judges. They have a video. Look at that video. It's translated in Portuguese by actually one of our instructors WHO's out those brown bail he translated it, so it's in both languages. So you it's like you can't even say that you don't know the rules. Man. You're right. You can't make now you may. You mentioned like that, like earlier. You're mentioning that they're the rest. Don't the points come from the scoreboard, like the the table and everything like? Yes, so, yes, you as a reb you're not. Are you're not really even scoring a so what are you focused on? What are you looking at? As as the rep on the map, that's a good question. So I'm focused on control. I'm focus on where the match is going. So I'm just the REF. I have nothing to do with dictating where the match goes, right. I'm just managing, I'm just...

...regulating right. So, for example, and then you could you could think about ATCC with like Abi Jan and Tolkino right there, ended up out of bounds in a deep ass. He'll hook. Then we set at them in a deep ass, he'll whereever young guy is like that is acl completely torn. So that's what they want and that's that's why they get paid the big box man that this is. You're going to win a hundred, you know, a hundreds of thousand dollars, but a out of money. So that's what they want. That's what the rules are. They're pretty sad. You sign a waiver for it. So as a ref what I'm doing is managing the combat inside of the ring as best as I can and then when it gets out of it, I gotta let it go until I can reset it in a position where was the same or similar to World War before. You know, okay, it sucks when you're like in a deep triangle and you're out of bounds because I you can't recreate exactly the same position. Right, I can't. I don't know if it's super deep. I know if you're breathing. I just do my best, right, because I've been doing this for a long time. So be like, okay, so I way see where all the hands are at, where all the feed are at, what's happening, and then we're we set in the middle, you know, but that's what it is. But then that's then I put it on the athletes. I tell them, look, man, this is up to you. You either allowed this position to happen or he earned it or she earned it. So like, don't get mad at us because you let somebody took your back, right, you know, you know I mean. Then you eat somebody took your back, that took your back, you get choked to good choke. We all win, we will lose. So it is what it is. To blame somebody else for for what happened in a match that you were and I think that's always been silly, you know. Yeah, so and so the people, they are at the table, they're the ones actually going rept, you know, for repped and right, okay, all right, and they keep this in mind. There's a judge and there's a couple refs next to them on the trials. So this three people talking about it for each man, reach man, for for each map. So it's not like art the you know, be like they could be. You Know Peter, who's a head judge. He could turn around and look at somebody who would like Hannaut, though, who was a very experience a RAF and judge be like a was that a pass? Oh Yeah, I think he did it. And then, okay, you know, they get three points. That's why the point sometimes take a little bit to get on the board. We were rather a little bit name meeting as. That's it. That's good, that's great. Yeah, you know. So if the that's to the lay and sometimes guys get frustrated. But the guys that win, if you notice, they don't think about it. They just keep going forward, right, or the Guy yes, just keep going forward, they keep attacking. They don't even know that points are geared. They're they're hoping their head the points are going to be there. Then when they move forward, and they usually took the back or they pass or something, and they look up and then you see this cor okay, you know my I'm up and it's a guys that look at the raft like waiting for their points. That I'm like, okay, you obviously don't understand what's happening right now. You know, yea, which is which is fine. You know you chose to do this. It's just sucks to see somebody who spend money on travel, lodging, sign up fee to just lose in the first round and they don't understand what happened. That's frustrating. You know, I can understand that, but I'm like, man like, look, if you read this rules, if you come to the rules meetings, you can understand why, mostly and you don't go for it because, yes, you know. I just one last thing on that. So I noticed also to a lot of the reps and I believe I saw like Youtube do, but like you guys would talk to each individual fighter competitive like right on the mat before the match would start. What was some of the something like you would you were saying to them. Usually the first thing I always sell them be like hey, you know what, shake hands, and I would tell them, okay, do not stop until I'll tell you to stop. That's the first one. Okay, do not stop until I tell you to stop. So that's the base one. And then the second thing I always tell them is like try to keep it in the middle. Right, it's hard to keep it in the middle. Come on, and did this is this is you know, it's like I think it's like twelve by twelve. These are top of the line grapples in the world. It's tough, you know, but if you can see, even on the finals guys were going out of bounce right. You can may see it if they had that little mat. Yeah, you can make it a hundred and twenty, but on twenty eight guys are still going to be flying off the mats. I mean place blame. The border is part of the game, unless you have, you know, alimited room and then you can see where the math goes. But it is what it is. It's so that's why a DCC, and I'm not against it either. I mean that's why a DCC allows you to play out of bounce. I had a match which is a John Bones and Mr Harris, great competitly class acts, both of them. They went out of bounce and I told them apparently somebody said...

...stop, which it wasn't me. Right. Somebody saystops on sustup because they were running into people. I never said stopped. So I told them I never said stopped. And bones had a underhood and he was fighting for the far grip right. So I'm I don't know how deep that underhook is. I don't know how much control he has in the upper hip. I don't want to reset that. So, you know, split second decision. I told them. I don't know. You know, I told him. I didn't say stopped. So then when I said that, Mr Harris went for a head and armed throw. He missed it. Then Jones got a seat belt from the back. No Hooks, obviously. So then I say stop. Right. We we set it in the middle. That's where we started. So I'm not here to take anybody's, you know, chance to win or anything like the way. I'm just calling the match how it is. You know. That's it, which I think is the difference between other organizations. Sometimes I feel like and I'm out. The only one to feel like that is that if your your flag is fighting in it and it's a ref decision, guys usually picked their flag right, you know, or their association. So ADCC, you can't do any of that. You know. It's not stop possible. It's impossible. Don't from the judges. I can give anybody an advantageous position or anything like that. There's too many eyes on the match, you know. That's why I sold top. Yeah, you're just keeping the action moving. Correct, correct, that's all I'm doing. Yeah, and and you know, I kind of felt bad because that my next question was going to be about the Davante match and I looked up the rule, said just to see if I can find something real quick, and I kid you not only took like ten seconds. And it says if the fighters go out of this area, talking about the ten by ten meter mats, the referee will restart the fight in the center of the met in the same position they were, went they were when they left the mat, when the referee set stopped. I went back and I watched Duvante a match and as they were going off the Mat, Davants quarner was saying don't stop, don't go, go, go go. So his coach knew the rule, but I find I was, I was really shocked to to to find out that I've devante didn't know that rule. And because how many times thanks did the TV fly off the table on that for? But the rest actually going, you know, yeah, that was all right out there and Wadle, because you guys kept the action going on the Mat, off the Mat, and you didn't stop and tell you saw something specific. What what was it that you guys were looking for before you stop the action? Every ABC REF is a black belt, to my knowledge, AB EVERY ATCC REF is has competed and knows where they're talking about or just being are all around me. You got to the blast is black belt. In there. You have guys that being black girls for twenty years. You know I mean like you have guys that understand where the movements going to. You know, you understand who's their aggressor you understand where the match might go to. It's a lot of anticipation that goes into Rafing, like okay, I understand that this guy's going to pull guard. You know so. So we try to find a spot that it's a it's a clean reset. It's a good reset. Not None of us are trying to screwed fighter a or farther be you know, we're trying to do the right thing. So to think that some people are just getting mad be like hey, you know, I mean like that was a shitty reset. I'm like, okay, Bro, this is not football, you know I mean we don't throw in the flag and we go into the booth review. You know, I mean, like this is like I saw our real life. This is what I think it is. I know this because I've been doing this for a while. Let's go back to the middle and reset, okay, and there's guys are a sore body. Some guys, you know, getting mad and trust me, our DM's after ATCC for every reft. Just get late, Bro late, man. So it is what it is. I mean, understand why there's money on bolve. Oh, definitely. Yeah, and there's a lot of emotion involved too, you know. So that's unfortunate. You're just doing the best you can out there. You're not you, you know, you're just doing Jiujitsu, you know, and upside I mentioned a little while ago. Man, you guys kept that action going nonstop. I mean even when regulation time ended, they had like maybe five seconds, if that, to restart before you guys started over time. But I loved it, man, this by far. You guys have the greatest rule set in grappling, easily, hands down. I think so...

...too. Yeah, they're definitely. Yeah, so I'd water like, how did you get him? How'd you get involved in this? Like how did you become a repper? Like how did you become a rep from being a Black Belt O. Good, good question. So I think I said on the last podcast I so when I was a Bluebell I was broke like that broke. I was like college student like that broke. I Love Jiu Jitsu. It's like man, this shit's like awesome. And one of my black belts told me, hey, I can't reff. You want to do it? And I was like, I don't know what to do it and he's like, well, there's a hundred dollars involved. I was like, I don't know what it is, but I'm going to do it. You Know Me. So so I jumped in and I did it. I was grappling x. So grappling x was own, still owned, by cord cast and Shan faller. Back then it was both of them. Now I was just corey. They gave me a shot man, I mean. And Sean Foller is one of the guys I look up to a lot. He has an association down in San Diego and he's giving an opportunity to Ras a lot of tournaments and just see my work ethic and me and a lot of guys a lot to him because he gave us his opportunity. So Sean Foller is five grappling now and he he is one of like the big heads in ACC right. You Got Mo, who's the name organizer. They got seth, who does all the productions, who was fight to win. You Got Sean who does a lot of the logistics and in a lot of the back work on it, and then you have the gentleman, I forgot his name, the guy that owns the brows clothing that he's helped out a lot. So between those guys, because it's the big show, those guys have put everything together and just being thankful enough to be part of the show and and they've been calling me since trials. I think twenty eighteen or seventeen. I forgot the trials. We did it at the muscle form in La that was my first shot. You know, they needed somebody and they're like hey, you want to do it, and what the big show calls you, you show up, you know, and then ever since I've been in the call list I've been thankful enough and fortunate enough to, you know, be part of it. So that's kind of how I started. I've been resting for ten years. I've rest and like several handful of organizations, and it's it's fun, man. Sometimes people get mad about resting on my bed. I learned a ton, you know. I learned from you and wife. That's that's pretty cool, you know. I know you could do that anything. This guy did it, but this guy did it. So I'm learning all the time. It's good. That's what's up. That's awesome, man. You know, ATC has evolved over the year. I mean, like the first ATCC I watched like live, was the one. I mean, I didn't even know what ATCC was. I had a buddy who was a purple belt, toby stately, shout out. He's a black belt now with Cassio warnic up in Sacramento and he has thought about hey, they're just ID do. He's a cool guy, man. We went, yeah, WE WENT DOWN TO ATCC back in two thousand and five at the pyramid, and it's great. That in it was awesome and, like, I mean, I had never witnessed Jiu Jitsu before that, so it was just like being at the pinnacle, you know. But what you guys did that weekend was I mean, and it was only trials. Man, that Shit was off the hook. Dude. I feel like with the all the names that you just mentioned. You guys are like, it's gonna Sound Super Nerdy, but I'm a comic Book Guy, but you guys are like the avengers all coming together to lift our sport up to the next level. Dude, I mean I get chills thinking about what you guys are going to do in September. Bro I can't wait. I cannot wait. I known and those guys, you know, the guys that mentioned those that's iron man, Captain America, and Shit, I'm just like the was it called the shields guy? That's just kind of help them a my like where you are? You didn't men to pick up something. You want coffee. What do you want me to do? You know? So I'm just like a small part in the in the engine, and they yeah, I know, toby say we had like a seventeen minute match at as some no, I want to see. It was eight or ten minutes. I forgot. It was like maybe seven seven. I am in a match at regulation time. There was sub only we couldn't catch each other, so it was Ebi over time and we went to triple over time. I ended up, Bro I ended up winning by like five seconds something like that. It was writing time. I ended up winning, but like five, I said. So I got a lot of respect to that dude. I know he teaches up there. He's a tough, tough S ob so I hope he's doing good. So, yeah, man, yeah, he's doing good, man. So, oh it wad. Speaking of emotions, we just say, you know, during the trials, during these matches, before the match, during the match, after the ATCH, emotions running...

...super high. I cannot count how many times I saw people trying to snag a collar tie and they were just like slapping the back of people's necks. And then what? The next guy would try to do it and then before would escalate. You guys would jump right in and call me calm everybody down. how You keep the competitors from getting chippy like that, from it to escalate to the point where they want to start throwing blows like we've seen happen in other types of tournaments? So no ref and this is one of the things that Mo emphasizes, no reff is shy, you know. I mean I used to be shy back in the day when I sward for like grapping quest you know, I mean like one time I had a Lapella Ma f I versus Gary Tonin. You know, I had, I think it was a Danaharn a one corner and then Busheh in the corner, and they're everybody's yelling at me right because they were all over the time. So yeah, I mean like super intimidated as a purple bell whatever black. But after that every single ref is been season like as myself or more so, and we're not shy to tell you know, I wouldn't been shy to tell Cyborg and nicky rod to be like Hey, calm just shit down, you know, rapper. You know, I mean like how many shit down and grapple. You know, I mean like and then the fins, the guys from Finland. They don't give a fuck who you are, you know. I mean they came here for one job and they're not about the fuck it up. You know, I mean like the it's a lot of trust put on them and they treat that shit very seriously. And so they they go and they literally to their job and they have no problem checking somebody regardless of who they are, right. I mean it's tough for like some random black belt to tell them who they are. I'm sorry, to check themselves, but yeah, man, it will tell them. Hey Man, don't be chippy dude, like let scrapple. You mean, there's nothing wrong with a little couple slops in a color tide. That's going to happen. That's you will not stop that. That's going to happen. But when it's spike five, six of them, seven of them, you know, I'd be like Hey, man, I you've just been Dick you know. Yeah, like, you know, you want to call it tie. Somebody snap them and then do something with it. You know, obviously easy for me to say I'm not in the finals in ADCC, but that's that's what we're trying to aim for, you know. Mean we're not trying to aim for a UFC five. You know, if you want to do a UFC, what do you have? See? This is a dropping match, you know. Yeah, it sounds really I don't man. Yeah, it's so like, what do you guys thin as a rep you know, being that it is so stressful. You're dealing with all the emotions of the competitors, you're dealing with the emotions of the coaches corner and everything like. Like, what do you do? Like you to deal with the you know, that stress of being a referee. I think going it's going back to the fundamentals and understanding what you need to do and just stay into that and saying truly that you're going to be fine. It's staying consistent right, like I can't. I can't think wrong way for one man, because I think this way about the competitors, because you know the competitors right, like like I know if I had you know whoever, let's think about any finals. You know, the Big Guy from from Gordon and Kyle Boom, you know, I know. I know Kyle was going to pull guard, right, but if kyle wanted to wrestle and take this guy out of bounce and play the boarders, like I have to stay with the same you know referee structure the whole time, right, even if you get surprised. So it just staying true to what you know is key and not putting up with any lip. Besides, a lot of these coaches are smart. They teach out of their guys to get ahead on the resets and they yield things to getting the judges minds because again, this is this is the Pamility of the sport. This is the highest there is. Is No, there's nothing higher after this and Nogie. So they all yell out anything, even if it's not right now. I'm like, you got to stay on it now. So I mean, what would be the perch? What's the what's the benefit of the perk of being a REP IN ADCC? Okay, so I learned a ton. So I teach though gay my school. I learned a ton. I came home with like a thousand thoughts and matches that I had in my head that I'm like, I want to watch this again and flow grapply. So when and flow grappling, I watch these matches and learn. Learned a ton. Obviously you get paid. It's not like a Lamborghini money or anything like that, but you get paid for your time and they'll complaint. Space Good, but also you learn and you get the connections and plus all these guys and Gals at work there. They're my buddies, their friends. So it's good to see your friends in a setting like Vegas. You get to go off a drink after words and talk about it and that's all you do. You Know Me. Afterwards we're done, we're talking about Jiujitsu at dinner. They a you see this match and...

...you shit that match. Hey, do you see this, for example, and we're just talking about he'll hook defense. So what were the two big heel hook difference is that we saw a lot of back stepping and then Bolo defense. So guess what I'm doing all week at the gym? I'm just googling this stuff and learning in myself, you know, because you guys are these guys and gals are so good at it, you know. So those are there's are definitely the perks after that and the guys from brows or really cool. We got a little discounted gear and you get some extra gear from the organizer. So no complaints, they take care of you, man, it's a good time. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, I did that being out there. Man, he was like on that Breaki's band it. You know, some of these ATC see, you know, turns before he's being know, been in Jiujitsu a lot longer than I have, but you know this. This one of band was my first one to be to be a part of it. Man, I can't tell you what that meant to me to be there and see everyone, see the legends, you know, competing and you know, seeing people come up. Then I think the thing that stuck with me the most was like that brotherhood and they like the team commarderie, like when people would win, you saw their teams like legit happy for them, you know, and I can't tell you how like how motivated it has got me. Yeah, yeah, and Lisa, Lisa Pics on instagram. She's one of the official photographers. She took some really candid pictures. I like to beat team and and Tim Planet and some of the people which I was like thankful I got tagged on because I was like right there and I was like looking at my man, that's awesome picture. Imagine grinding what a guy or Gal for that ten years and they go in, they win ADCC in front of you and your our corner. I'll happy or stoked you're going to be for them and for yourself, I mean, I mean your stuff is your as your team's going to be tough, you know, and that's awesome to see. Me and you see guy like Keith Corey and come in and he's on a ton of trials and always came short and I don't know if this was his fifth or something, and he comes in and it just wins it against Justin there, who was them fire the whole time. I can learn. Yeah, hospital, he seemed like to you guys in the hospital. I mean Grippa was done, dude. I saw him afterwards. He couldn't do his last match. He had eyes on his leg like the guy's a beast. To like joannet, GRIPP was a legend, honestly my e. He's been around as a black belt competing and winning shit since I was like a Bluebell. So to go on there and take out a vetter and take him out and such a fashion and have such an emotional fight, I mean these guys are going places. They're amazing, you know. Well, at one, speaking of Josh and the and the subs pee put on, I mean they're so many moments from that, from the trials that stood out in my mind. What's the like, what the fuck happened on that? What was what the fuck moment of yours that stood out from this last weekend's trials, or yeah, two weekends ago actually. And so the few moments that I was just like, okay, let's just be real, Jay Rod buffy choke on call being what was is saying right. I mean that was one of those things that you're like, there's no way he's going to pull that off. There's no way, there's no way. And I knew this guy was good at the buggy choke because I roughed his east coast trials and he put the in. He got a guy to get the Q, which is really good. Last thing, three men from from check man, really good guy. He slammed them a couple times and he had the cute out of it because he was slamming them on the buggy. So I knew his buggy was insane, but I didn't know he's going to win the finals ADCC trials with the buggy. That was insane. I yeah, so I say that's got to be my first one. And then and then I josh's narrows with the with the nasty knee bar back take from on the semi finals. Those were my two favorite and I you know, it's kind of cheesy to say that the finals, but it's still like this are the top dogs, you know, like they did amazing work and and you can see its liberal context. The Ninety Nine on the ninety nine are Dylla. That had to be at least his third of four trial at least and he lost to, I think fouler, my basic far. I think he lost to one of the guys from San Diego for his name, and I...

...think he beat that guy to get to the finals or to get to semi finals. So to see guys come back and keep doing trials and being succesful at it, that shows you that they've been changing their game, that getting better. Same thing would like Hanson and the East Coast Trials, the Plus Ninety nine guy. He got choked out by dicky Rod East Coast Trials and now he wins East Coast. So that shows you the pecking order and how these guys change up the game and they're in it and they're just continue to improve and it's awesome to watch. You know. Yeah, man, that can mean. Yeah, I like you know. So I mean being at you know, an ATCC REP, you being you've been doing it for a long time and anything you have unique access to both like the coaches and the athletes and everything. What's out of Shit. You've been a Rep. what's that your favorite moment that stands out in your mind? My family in the stands out of mind. That's a good question. Not ADCC world just trials, anything, traveling, thing, hanging out, seeing them, to to have so many that I was just like wow, I mean I so I saw Gordon versus Hulk live, like I was right down on the mats, ran it, right next to it, and that was a because because I think I hope did a really, really good job the no points part and then Gordon just understood the rules so much better and I think hope didn't want to give up points and Gordon took advantage of it end up taking his back. I think that was one of those like matches that I'm like, maybe this is a really athletic technical guys just going at it, because I was way more exciting than you know, hand like Gordon and Bushes Sha like, you know like and then when Gordon try to street Bishech out. I was amazing and I mean I think that's my favorite part. I guess answer that question has been from from worlds and the last world's because Gordon and Hulk and then Andre Versus Philippe, because I'm dre was on fire man. He kept pushing him into those stables. I was next to the tables. That was not that was not like a regular push it's not like I just push you. That was like get you know, I'm trying to fuck you up, push you know. This is did look like he was trying to throw through a wall. Yeah, Oh man, man, that was wild, just to be there and just feel the energy. That was my favorite, one hundred percent. I'll tell you what's my least favorite. Setting up those fucking matts last weekend, two weeks ago, you got a hundred of plus match and you gotta make Jesus. Yeah, well, my cut will roll up mats for a little while and I was like Nah, dog, each piece, each one is a meece. Yeah, and literally right after I said that, you all of a sudden you saw some of the refs like adjusting some of the the mat pieces. Are Like, Oh shit, yeah, wow, we put that bitches up and we put this bitches back. So, Dan, not so on part of it. You know, whatever you do, it is just like you got enough people that to do it, which is not like it's nots like two of US doing and there's, you know, thirty people doing it. But still you gotta eat, you gotta put them right. And then, even though if you put him as tight as you can, these guys again. They're they're fighting all over the place, so they're going to open up and you do your best to put them together. As you know, I try to do my best to like I have these put the pinkies on it and break it, you know, and Shit like that. But that's my least favorite but it's part of the job. It is what it is. But yeah, I hope that the answer that question. Now I got kind of a off the line question, but something that my cousin I we noticed and we talked about at the thing like day to act you guys, when you guys were going into like the finals and everything in the rest are kind of most of the rest were kind of done. Did you guys all plan to go get pizza at the same time? Because we were standing there and it seemed like people being at the pizza came by and we could just smell it from there the audience. So we ended up happening. They too was the guy that was supposed to go get lunch for all of us couldn't do it because we were so busy and next you know it was like two o'clock, then three o'clock and then four o'clock, and that point was like, what's the point of fucking getting these guys lunch? So they took care of us later. But then every single ref when they got downe they were like, I'm fucking starving, you know, and most rest went out the night before and had a couple drinks. So like they're like probably, like I'll do I'm really, really hungry, and they all went to go get pizza at the same time. So it was funny. Yeah, we we're play Melion as it went by. Yeah,...

...yeah, but it was because, unfortunately, we we didn't eat lunch on Sunday because we're so busy, right, and we're trying to get it done and be on time, which, by the way, think about a thousand competitors, right, and try and not get out in two days. And we did it. That was a lot of my I think it was something like six hundred and some matches total. I think that's what it was. Something like that. Yeah, man, me, and we're all work together to do it. It's pretty, pretty freaking cool. Now, you guys, I'm sorry, what are you going to be at September's tournament to or you yet it? Yeah, okay, no, no, I'll be there Wednesday to help set up. Most likely I'll be there all over this Sunday. I'll probably Monday. It's going to be probably the longest time. I was saying Vegas, but yeah, okay. So you'll be doing like the open Matt. You'll be repping the Open Matt and the tournament to or no? No, I'll be probably roughing to open and then I'll be helping either a table or just coordinating. Basic basically coordinating is like hey, for example, Boshershaw Uttenberg on the whole, on deck is, I don't know, to other heavyweights and Nikki Rod and somebody else. So I'm my job will be to like just tell them where to be so they can be ready, because the matches will be going, going and going and man, this is you know, I think Thomas and Mac holds like thinking than people some shit like that. So they're going to be on asses to keep everything going and keep people engage. And it's no joke, you know. I mean we did it and not Ahe I'm in nineteen and that was stressful for everybody working. So this, I'm sum's going to be even more stressful. But, but, but everybody's excited about it. And we're in a couple group taxes and everybody just shares means and stuff. It's cool. You know, I have no doubt that you guys are going to run it as you I mean, if you guys were stressed, we couldn't even tell because this show just ran flawlessly. The matches were flawless, the action was flawless. As soon as one math stopped, the next one started. It was nonstop action and why I'll thank you so much, brother. I don't have any more questions for you, Cuz do you have any more questions for it? No, man, I but thank you so much for coming on. Really appreciate you taking some time and and speaking with us and kind of just giving a little insight. I know for me, you know, there's a lot newer than my cousin, you know, in Jiu Jitsu and the whole atcc and everything. It really help you know hearing some of these things and you know what the key points where, man. So I really appreciate you taking time and talking with us. Man. Absolutely, thank you for guys, for having it was good seeing you guys. I love would you guys do? It's awesome. I appreciated being here thank you. Thank you, Hey, for sure, and we're going to have to catch up soon, man. COFFEES, Beers, food, tacos on me, Bro for sure, before September. Come try ay for sure, man. I'm coming, I'm coming. I'm going for SH IM train, sure, Edward, any time, my brother. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to answer all of our Retardo questions. Thank you for giving us a grim behind the ATCC curtain. Is there anyone you want to thank or mentioned before we wrap this episode up? Just, you know, thankful for yeah, obviously do. Just to a PMA, I thank for all those guys and guys and Gals, and same thing with a five dropping my boy sean foller. You know, he's the one that actually got me in to where I'm out doing, you know, doing the ref in the big shows. So yeah, just thankful for all my the community. Thank for you, guys. I mean this community is awesome. I mean to come from nothing and do some cool stuff like this is awesome. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, man. You make in a difference at thank you for elevating our sport, brother, because anything you want to add now, man, like I said, I'm just super happy to be here and be a part of this. Man. Yeah, well, that's a rap jiujit deals. One more time, Ed Ward, though. Thank you so much. We cannot wait for September. We're gonna have to try to lenk up again. Man, that's a rapture deals. We hope he enjoyed the interview as much as we did. UN till next time and keep rolling and trading and we hope to hear from you soon. Peace, peace. This is the divation.

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