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Veterans Day episode- Mental Health & Veteran Non-Profits in BJJ

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On this Veterans Day episode the guys have a real discussion on mental health, suicide and handful of non-profits that are making a difference for Veterans in the BJJ community. 

This is the motivation. Hey, ever, you welcome to another episode of Jiujit Teel's coast to coast the podcast. It talks about what's important on at off the Mat, and on today's episode we're celebrating Veterans Day and talk about some amazing nonprofits that are doing some awesome work for the veterans and everybody else out in the Bjj community. First of all, I mean introduced the hostess, the cohost this with the most this cul that's going on. Cuz How you doing tonight? I'm doing good man. I'm doing good, dude, really good out here, just getting I'm really interested in this, the topics we have going on today. I'm really excited about Veterans Day and everything that's going on and kind of the top topics that are going to be talked about. I also want to introduce one of my really good friends who's been an image Jutsu game also prior military. I'll let him talk a little bit more about that, but that's my boy Steve. He's going to be joining us on the show today. How you doing, Steve Good man? What's up, guys? Hey, welcome to the Jiujit Didal Neighborhood Steve, what's up? Everything going, and I how's everything on the East Coast? Guys, dude, it's awesome out here, as always. Man, that's what's up. That is what's up. So, Steve, today is veteran's Day. We brought you on because you are a veteran. What branch of military did you serve in? Brother, I was in the Marine Corps. Man. Who? Yeah, we did you to choose that branch. If you don't mind me ask him. Yeah, man, absolutely, no. You know, I had some family, a lot of family, that was prior military. I had a an uncle mine that was, you know, he was a marine in Vietnam. He walked along, wow, he was a first Marine Division. He walked point in Vietnam for thirteen months and you know, that's kind of what inspired me to, you know, to want to join the military. I had another present of mine who joined the Marine Corp about three or four years before I graduated. So you know, I've had family in the army, Air Force, Marine Corps and that's just always something I wanted to do, man. So, you know, I went graduate high school, left for like like boot camp like three weeks after I graduated high school. Damn, yeah, yeah, as in the military infantry, you know. So I was a real crayon eater, you know everybody, you know, because everybody sees like Army Rangers and all maybe we jumping out of planes and, you know, doing all the navy seal stuffs like Nas infantry man. We walked everywhere we went. So it was good man. So it was in the the Marine Corps reserves. I was there for did six years, did a little a little time overseas and West Africa. You know, it was, you know, a lot of a lot of training, a lot of you know, a lot of time in California, out there and West Coast up there in twenty nine stumps. So it was good man. That's some great people. Had some of the worst times of your life in the military, but some of the best times at the same time too. So it was right, it was good man. You know, I got out and two thousand and seven I think I got out was with my wife, or girlfriend now wife time and you know, just just decided that was it for me. But it was awesome, man, it was. It was a good time. I'm still in contact with a lot of people that I served with. You know, being that spectroom's Day. So shout out to all my my veterans out there that are tuned in. It's great to be on Nice, nice awesome man a SI service in total eight year.

Well, eight and total. Everybody does like eight years. So you do who regard us a length of contract? You know, it's you do like your four years act of duty and then you'll do four years like reserve. So I did like six years reserve and then I had like two inactive years. So but you know, I never got called back for anything. Luckily brought I. What were you going to say? CUSS? No, it's going to stay on. Like during your time in the Marine Court, did you have any experience of Jiu Jitsu or any friends, and we're in Jiujitsu at all? No, not really Jiu Jitsu. They had like a you know, they just recently instituted like what they called like the mcmap program and I don't even know if that's what the Marine Corps uses anymore, but it was like the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program Uh Huh. that it was like a little hybrid of like kind of like everything. You know. They taught like a little bit of boxings and throws. You know, some different submissions and stuff. I guests. So it's kind of like a little blending of a lot of things. Like I grew up wrestling, so, you know, I was always kind of into you know, martial arts, are grappling. I said. You know, I should say so, you know, it's kind of you know, I didn't get into Jiu Jitsu here probably to a little over a year ago. So, but I mean I had a little experience. I did a little judo to when I was in college for a while, so that that was kind of really my first probably introduction into you know, any type of you know the throws and joint manipulation, submission kind of stuff. And what got what got you? What made you cross the line? In did you Didsu? Actually, man, it was my daughter's I tearing the in the during like the pandemic their last year, with school being on lockdown. I got, you know, just rolling around the House with my girls and just kind of playing like some games with them, you know, just having them, you know, try and seek belt ride me, see if I could hold them, shake them off, have them teaching, teaching some take down ounds and stuff and then just kind of ask them if they wanted to do it, you know, for Real, like going to class and do it every night with other people, and they said Yeah, and so, you know, we looked up JIM's here in the local Arey in Winchester, Virginia, where we live, and found shark pit Jiu Jitsu, where we're still at now. So shoutout shark pit and everybody. Yeah, so we've been there ever since, man, you know, it's kind of a crazy world we live in. So you got to teach your daughters to carry the sword so they don't have to rely on somebody else to do it for him later. Right on, right on. That's what's so. Yeah, and so they started doing it and I was like, well, I'm doing it too, he that's good. Yeah, man. And in our gyms, awesome. We have a lot of people like that there that, you know, their kids are in the kids class and the adults are in there, you know, and I think it's awesome. We have, you know, Kim and warned Orf and her kids are there and I thought, because you know, Kim was there when her son Michael got his came out of the kids class, turned sixteen and got his blue belt. I was like, man, how cool. Is that the like to say, you know, you were rolling with your parent, you know, to say, you know, wrong with my parents when they were however old, you know, class like. That's pretty cool, man. So that's kind of been my goal, is I want to be there long enough that, you know, when my kids come out of the kids classic and say they were wrong with their old man and the adult class lass and I that was awesome. Yeah, so to family activity, something that the family can bond over, that's fantastic. Absolutely, absolutely so. They now. Well, now, speaking of veterans, in everything, have you, how of you? Have you found that jus help you in anywhere, any of those areas, being a veteran, or how do you how do you correlate the to? Well, yeah, I mean, you know, they're we have a lot of vets, you know, at the gym, and you being one of them before you were before you scooter back out to the West...

Coast August. We have, you know, a lot of vets that I've found out that they come there as a form of like stress relief. You know. I know people have been able to stop taking medication that they're on for, you know, PTSD. You know, personally, like I find it a huge stress reliever. You know, you're in their role with somebody like if you're not concentrating on what's right in front of you, got to get tapped out. So, you know, for me, you forget about everything else it's going on in life and it just totally you come out of their man. It's like totally decompressed, you know, total stress reliever being a man. So it's it's awesome, man, right on and you and you definitely have that, you know, not only that veteran background but that law enforcement background. Song. I mean I'm sure you have the stress level of being a parent. You know your your background at being a veteran and also law enforcement as well. I mean sure you know that's a lot of stressed to be carrying on gailing the JIUJITSU's helping here. That's awesome. Yeah, for sure, man. I mean you know we're an adopt a cop affiliate at shark pit, man, and you know, I was encourage any anybody that's in law enforcement. You know, it's almost like a mandatory. You know, it's you know, somebody said once like Jiu Jitsu is like brushing your teeth, man, like it's mandatory. Like you've got to do it, and I think that's you know, anybody in law enforcement out there, man, you know, find yourself a gym that's adopt a cop affiliate. Even if they're not you know, they can still become one or still get, you know, helping pay for that training to get your blue belt, man, and you know the confidence that builds, I think, in people, you know, to not have to escalate force because you know, you know, you can handle yourself and in a lot of situations just having that confidence, you know some people, man, I think it's something we need today in law enforcement. Dude, imagine how carried a gun and you have a blue belted Jiu Jitsu man, you're like a terminator. Man. You don't even need to leave the gun in the car. stoppable, unstoppable. Yeah, it's for reals. For Reals, I'm telling you, it's I don't know what they would do. Just bad walking around managed a bad man. Seriously, man, seriously, bad guys is just going to go back inside. Yeah, yeah, run and hide right. Yeah, hell, yeah, that's what I would do. Yeah, that's right, man, that's that's fantastic. We got an old coach to and Betel Borg's out in Marietta, Georgia, who runs a big adopted COP program and he works with the Marietta pd out there and he's constantly running trainings with these guys. So he's got the SWAT team out there, he's got the regular cops out there. Anybody who's interested in learning look up and Betel Borges Marietta, Georgia, if you're in that area. But just like Steve said, man, look up any gym anywhere. Get on the Mat. It's fantastic exercise. You'll make some great, great friends and your confidence is just going to grow and leaps and bounds, I promise you. Yet Mary to Georgie. They just had like a study they released, didn't they, like showing like how much like officer involved shootings were down and like all the benefits are having, like officer injuries were down, like Taser deployment. You know what, Steve, I don't know if I'm supposed to mention this or not, but Umbertol Borges are old coach. was is or was in working with HBO, real hr Hbo Sports or something like that. Some some like documentary style reporting for sports. That's it's a show, that's a done on HBO and they went out and they interviewed him. I don't know for how long they were falling him around, but I believe that's supposed to be coming out in the next like four to six months and they are going to be talking about that study that you're mentioning. So yeah, man, that everybody should this. Should be doing this across the nation, across the world. All PDS. Absolutely, man, and a hundred percent. I think they're living their proof right...

...there. That, you know, why people should be doing it. DEREC, therey man extend. I know the GRACIS are big proponents of, you know, pushing that Info out about Mary Atta Georgia. So that's kind of where I picked up. You know, I'd F seen it, but that's awesome. It's like a live leak right there. You're breaking news right here, man. Yeah, man, yeah, Jiujit titals coast to coast. That's what we do know, bobby. This is this is like a topic that that doesn't come up all too often. You know, last year we did a veteran show and we just highlighted, you know, the different branches of the military and we just everyone just shared their different stories and what they took out and how Jiujitsu has helped them to grow as a person once they once they had that void from the military, you know, once they left the military, they, a lot of the guys, weren't sure what they what to do, and they felt kind of lost and a bitch. Somehow they stumbled across Jiu Jitsu and and the rest is history. Has a lot of them would say. You know, yeah, absolutely, man. I mean our gym, like I know, our gym is, you know, the building the culture as much as they're building a gym. You know, like those people are like family. Yeah, the brother has what it's all R and they, you know, nobody in that wouldn't do anything for you. So yeah, that speaks him. Man, that's a great gee. That's a great place to be when you could say that about your gym. You know what I mean, you're like a family, you know, and you're welcome. So as I'm glad. I'm happy for you guys. Yeah, we have definitely great culture, Great Group of people out there. Man, it's it is. I couldn't. I mean everybody, from the the kids coaches to you know, coach Joe and Jeremy. I mean every one of them. Man, is is awesome, like I couldn't, I couldn't ask for a better group of people. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. So it's awesome, man, I've really is. So it just a I mean you talk about having people from all different walks of life out there too, man, like it's cool. It's just like the biggest like melting pot of people ever. Man's awesome. Well, that's good, man, that's that's good that you guys mentioned that. Did you guys feel that you can rely on each other out there? Because, you know what I mean, everyone goes through life at the wrong pace, by their wrong rules, and we go we show up to Jiujitsu Day in and day out, but a lot of times we don't share what's really going on behind the scenes. You know what I mean. You share the mass, you share that intimate space, but sometimes that's not enough. Sometimes people need a little more help. And Gosh, I don't eat CUZ I don't even know how to segue into the next topic. So should we just jump into it? Well, I think, I think. I think you guys kind of both hit it with when you guys are talking about, you know, law enforcement, the different changing everything, not only is it changing the way? I guess police departments are only handling themselves physically, how they're handling situations physically, but I mean, if things are going and down, I think it also work. You're talking about the mental ability of, you know, anybody that's being involved in Jiu Jitsu, law enforcement and and otherwise. You know, you know even to you know now that we're, you know, at veterans. They were talking about veterans. A lot of veterans are are going to Jujitsu. I you know, I can speak for myself. You know, we go there, we have that brotherhood. That is one seria there were looking at, and we definitely are missing from the military and we find that in these good Jim's, these good communities. But it's also that, you know, I think Steve Been mentioned it to you know, that stress they we it's taken off. You know, those things that are not talked about, being behind that are behind closed doors. You know, they we don't really talk about a lot and or not brought up, but you know those anxieties, as you know. You know the people, you know guys that have PTSD and you know all these different things that they've held in for so long and everything. You get on that Matt and it's just, you know, you're able to just focus on Jiu Jitsu kind of let that go. And you know, one of the organizations, you know, that we're going to talk about tonight is we define and how. You know, you know they're talking to...

...watch some of the the videos of people that are been part of we define these veterans and how. You know they're struggling with all these things and they get there and they get beat up for, you know, an hour, two hours, you know, throughout their whole class, and then they just go back down into the world, like you said, many times you go back down to the world and it's like not, it's not that serious. Ever, you know, things that they're dealing with, it's just not that serious and getting through. You know, I think you know Vetchan's Day, we talked a lot about. You know, definitely talk about you know, Betterman, suicide is it's a huge thing. How about that? There it is, man, there it is so because you sent some articles earlier and you know there's a big stigma on right now on PTSD and anxiety and depression all over the world, especially with what we just went through last year. are still aren't going through with covid you know, but for for you, for all those folks in the military, that's something you guys have been dealing with forever and yeah, it really hasn't been getting the attention and the help and the funding that that it should. You know what I mean? Like you see a lot of these guys in the streets that have these signs and they're living out on the streets and they're asking for help and some of them say they're veterans. Who knows if they're not, you know, but because I remember going to the Va with you that one time you got really sick and all right, yeah, I don't. I did not appreciate the kind of help that they were giving you guys. I felt like, with all this shit that you guys have done, bent over backwards sacrifice, literally gave your blood, sweat, bones and tears for and they're just going to give you like this baby blanket of coverage. Nah, man, that's that's that's that's not going to cut. Yeah, yeah, man, you know over there, you know, I've been a being a medic in the military, like I've really seen PTSD's, you know, since we're talking about that. I've seen it kind of grow from where it was or for where it really was a stigma. Really was a stigma for vesterans that if they had pet, it's St or if you knew you had it or your diagnosed with it. It was kind of like a stigma all you're out kind of push you to the side, you know, or within yourself. You just like Hey, I don't want to talk about it, I don't want to do with this. No, I don't. But then, you know, it was also those individuals didn't even know they hadn't you know. And then, you know, towards like the middle of my military career, you know as a medic, you know working is training about, Hey, these are the signs to look for, this is what you're looking for. And I remember one day it hit me as I was learning what to teach for a class as the medic to my guys and I'm like, wait a second, I have this. Oh, you know what I have that? You know not. You know what this does. And next you know, it's like Nah, you know not. Now I'm fine, I'm fine, no big deal. And then it wasn't till you know, like you get home and you start seeing your family and you know, and I think you remember that this, you know, coming back home, being around you guys and everything, and people are like, HMM, you're not the same, you're there's something different. So it's not just the the typical, you know, the guy on the street who's, you know, lost it all or you know, hey, you know the stigma being crazy, but also you know it hits you in a variety of variety of different way as anxiety and you know, mood swings and all these different things. So it's definitely change in the military community, veterans of stuff, but how to identify it, but also now the way we look at it and now it's more open, it's more something that we can talk about it. But you know, it is out there. It is definitely something that is out there and affects everyone differently and it's shown differently, for sure. For sure right. And so one of the articles you let one of the things that stood out to me there. Let me,...

I'm finding the guy's name. His name was Keith Jennings and says here he's an Iraq combat vet and clinical psychologist, and this is what he says regarding like, this is what everyone feaks of what happens when you go to the military. He says that narrative goes something like this. American and American enlist, American goes to war, American comes back and he's diagnosed with the mental health condition or is broken somehow. There's this connotation that because they have PTSD, they ultimately killed themselves. That's a false narrative. So he says that's not really what's going on. And then you also sent another article. You know there's there's there's a number that go inside coincides with military suicide or veterans suicide, and it's the number twenty two. I wasn't aware yet, but I did a little bit of research and they say that every day there's twenty two veterans that commit suicide. Is that with the numbers? Corresponds to yeah, yeah, so basically the number of twenty two is it corresponds with the then the number of the average number of veterans that will commit suicide on a daily basis. But also it's it's kind of like that hit number. So the way I understand it, it's not like some days it's more, some days it's less, but that is that key number that we talked about. That is there were focused on the we need to, you know, look at as on average. You know, this is what we're looking at. As far as veterans, whether it's young, old, new in the military, been in the military for a long time, veterans across the board. Twenty two is the number of individuals that you know, you know, take that take that direction or take that choice at some point in their lives and you know, we're trying to bring it down. I think we've seen some it's statistics that I've don't you say? You that we have seen the numbers go down. So I mean that's that's a good thing. That's definitely a good thing. Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely assigned that people are seeking help right, right, right, and so and and and you mentioned that. You know this this mental health and depression and anxiety and spots of suicide there. They used to be kind of under the covers. You know, nobody really wanted to talk about it, but as time has gone on it's been almost a little commonplace to talk about and then, and that's what we're we want talk about now, is what some of the help that is out there, not only for veterans, but for everyday people. So what the first nonprofit that I'm going to talk about, it's not a veterans only nonprofit, is for everybody and I'm talking about it's called Hashtag submit the stigma and, like I said, they are a nonprofit. They were founded by a young lady by that that goes by the name of Aaron Hurl I'm not sure if I'm saying her name right. Last name right, AH, Gr Ellie, but she is a black belt under Ruben Charles COLBRINA alliance black belt, bad all around Badass. Will take time. World Champion, ADCC Champ, but he produced this black belt and unfortunately for her, she had a father who was battling depression and mental health and he lost earlier this year and committed suicide. And after that she was like, I'm going to do something about this and created this organization and basically, you know, you can donate money to their organization and it but really all they're doing is they're just trying to spread awareness, to let people know that Hey, this is this is like a disease. Like we talked about heart disease, we talked about AIDS, we talk about cancer, but mental health and depression is a real thing. You know, I cousin, I know you remember that class that I used to teach with those boys who used to mentor them, you know. Yeah, and we used to talk about like hey, you know what, how many of you guys crashed on your bike where you're a kid, or crash...

...on your skateboard and you got a scar on your elbow and as yeah, all of us, and I'm like yeah, it, can you show me the scar? And there like yeah, scars right here never went away, and like that's right. But what you guys don't realize is that just like we our bodies, can get her on the outside, we can get her on the inside, and those leaves scars on the inside, but nobody can see them. And just like a scar on the outside leaves you damage, those scars on the inside are also going to damage you in different ways and they're going to affect your life in a multitude of ways, just like you mentioned a little while ago, because everyone's going to battle these things in a different way, you know. But the just like a mechanic, the more tools you have in your bag, just like in Jiujitsu, right, the more sweets you have the more submissions you have, the more takedown you have, the more prepared you are for whatever is going to be in front of you, and this is just another tool. So if you're interested, look them up. Submit the stigma dot org by a patch thought on your gee. And really what they're trying to do is put up say put a patch on your gee, take it to a tournament, take it to your gym and someone's going to say, Hey, what is that, and then that's going to spark a conversation and then they're going to take that in. Hey, hopefully they'll keep spreading awareness. You know what I mean. But yeah, that's just one of the cool little organizations that I found and shout out to Aaron for starting this. I'm sorry that it had to be started under, you know, these conditions, but again, thank you from the bottom of my heart and I'm sure there's all kinds of other people that are thanking you for this as well. So hopefully other people take note of this and give them a follow. They are on instagram. I believe they're also on facebook and, like I mentioned, they they are. They do have their own website. So one more time, submit the stigma dot o Arg and they do have a handful of black belt jujit titles that are coming that you ride with these guys in flat and fly their little patches in the tournament. So check them out sometime. Submit the stigma. One More Awesome, really awesome nonprofit that I found doing a little bit of research, and this one is specifically tied to veterans. So if you're a veteran out there you want to help, or even if you're not a veteran and you want to help the Jiu Jitsu community, specifically the veteran community, look up this awesome nonprofit that I'm going to talk about right now and it's called geese for Geis and their website is geese. The number four GIS dot oarg. I'll be dropping this on our instagram account pretty soon. I'll put it in on our bio so you guys can check it out. But what you can do is you can not only donate cash for these guys, to these guys, but you can donate all old Jiu Jitsu can. You got old geese in around that don't feed you no more, but they got plenty of miles left. They will take them, wash them, because you guys are some dirty ass motherfuckers out there, but wash them, package them up, throw them in a box and send it to them. They will take your gee he's, any sizes, they'll take your rash guards, they'll take your gie shorts, weights, Matt's, Anything Jiu Jitsu or exercise related. They are looking for and, like I mentioned, they don't want your trash. So, if you can do your selves a favor, what and you got stuff laying around, give it a door and a wash real quick, set it aside and maybe we can send someone out to come pick him up, because I got some Gys, I got some note, some noogie stuff that I don't use any longer, and I'm going to wash it up again, even though it's clean, but I'm going to wash it again and I'm going to send it out to these guys. Hey, make sure I'll Fozzo, was not saying any it's cup. We don't we don't need. Yeah, that's not that's not reusable. Knows that nasty as South Fonso, we're going to have to go double check that box. All right, round here, talk about he's U...

No, no, Guy. You know what he knows, though. Man, I'm sure his ears are ringing right now, burning man dude. So before I um wrap this little section up, or this little segment on Gies for GIS, I want to read their mission, it says, founded in two thousand and fifteen geese for Gi's objective is to help active military members, veterans and first responders cope with the stress us of their respective jobs. Or Organization sends gys to those that have taken the oath to protect us. These gys allow servicemen and service women to begin and or continue their martial arts journey. The B Jj and martial arts community offers camaraderie and a sense of fellowship that helps both takers regain trust and make friendships that will last a lifetime. Our hope is that recipients who receive guys will use martial arts training as a form of therapy to help them cope with PTSD, traumatic brain injuries and hosts of other ailments that have led to depression, anxiety, stress and an ever increasing number of suicides. With each key we send out, our oath taker's martial arts community grows. So not only are they spreading awareness about mental health, but they're trying to create a community. A Jiu Jitsu community involving the best of the best. Man, people who need help. People have bent over backwards for this country and now it's time for us to give back. So, if you have some extra Jiu Jitsu equipment laying around, loop these guys up or DMME and I'll I'll give you some more info on them. But again, G Giese for GIS dot O rg. That's GIS, the number for GIS dot O rg. What an awesome foundation. Man. Yeah, man, that's that's pretty awesome. I mean, I think that that's awesome. Not only are they doing it for the Jiujitsu community, but I mean for and also the Bega community, but anybody who sard when it's law enforcement fire Ms, that's pretty awesome that they'll do that right. Um, yeah, that's pretty awesome. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's cool. And Yeah, you know, also like we define. That's another one. I think. You know, they also have the the they also kind of have the same mission. They're out there to help veterans. They're out there to help, but they're but they're also out there to also support and also bring in those veterans and not only the veterans, put their families. I think one thing. Another we we haven't talked too much about. We define, but that foundation, I know that a shark pit. You know, they support we define or they're actually doing. They're actually raising money for we defy right now and helping a veterans in the community and getting them into, you know, training and being a support system. It's not just, you know, geting them into Jiujitsu for just the sport, but also getting them in there and their families to help destress, help, you know, get them into finding another avenue, finding that you know, Camaraderie, find that Brotherhood that they had in the military and how helping them they can better go home and actually be there for their family. I think that we defy foundation is definitely a great organization to talk about. Yeah, and we we had one of your guys as training partner's cage, salvo, in here talking about we defy while back. He gave us that awesome when whole Coogan rode the light number. Yeah, yeah, Coca Guy, I'll let you treated like a motherfucker next time. Followers whole Coogan some color electrolyt you man. Man. That reminds you that. It reminds me of the race every time you talk about execution. Reminds me of the mud run that we did HES PTSDN US lecture. Were they electric to you? Oh Yeah, you know this one, dude, I'm worst. Bro. This one was worse because my cousin got through it with no problems, no problems whatsoever. No,...

I don't you, dude. I got like donkey kicked in the chest. It fell wait if but frank was so adual he made it through it like it was no big deal. I went through it and I got kicked like right in the freaking chest. Went down and did a little. Did I know that I had a live wire like two inches above my back. So every time I went to to get up, I got kicked back down into the mud. It was so bad that the DJ they're started like like started feeling bad for me. He would the whole time he's talking, you know, trash up to everybody is going by, making jokes and laughing and everyone going by. His freaking mentality change. I think after the fourth time I got hit back to the ground. It was Oh, there was a horrible experience. Somebody come over help this guy. We need medics over here. Yeah, seriously, man, some yeah, Frankie came back. Damn. Yea, I remember. Frankie came back and he's like, don't get up, just roll, just just crawl forward, back down. I was done. Don't say, man, I don't know about all that. Man Getting electrocuted, I don't know. I'm America. That's not fun, man, Dude. That was not fun. Yeah, that's fucking Shit. You paid money for that. Yes, I could do that. We could do that. We could short sirface some stuff. You want to get it int you to, just give you twenty bucks. Yeah, and all we got was what? A beer after that, after we're done with all that fucking skunky ASS hot keg beer? And then our legs were dead. Yes, Oh my gosh, thank you. We did me. What's that? I said, man, I didn't give you a Tshirt or nothing. No, we got a BANDANA. That was yeah, where's that fucking Bandana? I think the best part of that whole deal was at that night we went to we sports part tilty, yeah like that, and we saw it and we met Dan Henderson, remember. Yes, that's right. Dan Henderson was at the tilted kill having a party watching UFC and told us what's up? Yeah, yeah, shoutow Dan Henderson H bomb. That was for yeah, that made it all worth it. I was sure twitching when I met him. Yeah, we like, we, like star, still had madam, like you, still have we, you and awe. We was just because I was still having lightning shooting through my body at that yes, yes, he had tenzero bolts going through his blood string. Still, oh, man, yeah, that's only you're keeping me going. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I can't do the I can't do the electrocution, man, I can't do it. No, no, nobody needs to. Nobody'sh have to. Yeah, for sure not. But I think that was the last non profit that I had. Cause you have anything else you want to add, Nah man, just you know, I think all this stuff that we talked about, I mean you know talking about, you know, veteran suicide. It is a big thing. I know that the statistics have shown it. It's gone down, but I think that's huge in the fact that there are organizations out there. They are trying to help veterans. A lot of veterans that are also trying to help veterans on our own, you know, doing their own thing and helping a brother that the you know, they come across, you know, just talking and building that you know, Camaraderie, brotherhood. But you know, now we have these Jiujitsu community has been reaching out the veterans. It's grown who have all these different organizations that are bringing veterans in, giving them a different way and another, another way to look at things and kind of build that brotherhood and also be able to who let go with some of the stuff that they're doing with or even the physical elements...

...that they've had. You know, they you know, they've got in through there on the military time. They you know, they've had Jiu Jitsu there to kind of bring it together and, you know, help them through those things. So, you know, I'm glad to see the statistics are going down. I'm glad to see that. You know, there's there's all kinds of you know, people out there, organizations out there, there trying to help veterans, especially during this you know, these damn crazy times are in you know, crazy times, and but even though the numbers are going down, I you know, we still need to keep doing it. You still need to keep reaching out, still need to keep telling gets to zero we're not done doing our work. Job exactly, exactly. So, yeah, we need to realize to I mean, you know, a lot of these people that suffer from PTSD, like they're not going to be reaching out, like most of them aren't going to realize that. They're not going to be reaching out for help to you know, a lot of these people have, you know, luck. Yeah, that's from million. You guys are like. You guys have been under the you guys are like diamonds. You guys can be totally normal under the most extreme pressure. So you're never going to crack, we're never going to see that you need help like you're seeing, Steve. You're absolutely right, man. So even if you see every day, if you asked your buddy, hey, how you doing it every day, he says I'm fine, I'm fine. Ask Him every day, ask her every day. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's you know, a lot of a lot of people have it like, you know, kind of transforms, it comes out in other ways. You know they're fine, but man, they turned like drinking or you know, it turns into other stuff. You know, people like substance abuse or you know. But people just don't realize, they're not going to know to ask for help. That's a problem. They're not going to know it's wrong. So, you know, I mean I think even, like you know, we talk about awarens too. Of like, you know, after like twenty years of like conflict and being in Iraq and Afghanistan, like, I mean, you almost don't know anybody that doesn't know somebody like a family member or a friend that wasn't like in the military or served or could potentially have PTSD. So, you know, people turn being aware or even reaching out these organizations, like if you don't know where to get help or where to start reaching out for somebody who does. To kind of get that ball wrong, because you know a lot of people are going to say, Oh, I'm not a counselor like, I don't know where to go, I don't know where to start, you know. So maybe look in some of these organizations too, because you know they're reaching out like to try and help these people's families to definitely, and you know you talked about like the Va. Yeah, you know, they're so overcrowded in and backed up, like you never know when you're gonna be able to get a family member in there. You know, you can't count on that. Yeah, man, I did. You hit it on the a Q. I mean, you know it comes out in so many different ways. You know that it's not just I think I'll you know, even the stigma that you know, the maybe the normal civilian has a ptsd or veteran with PTSD. is they expect to see, you know, something, it's shortening. Use this huge change. It's crazy person soon or, you know, like you see on these TV shows with it. You're you know where they're just going nuts and you know they trying to shoot people or hurt people whatever. It's only it's that's an extreme case. You know it. PTSC shows itself in so many different ways from you know, you know anxiety, depression, you know key, you know not wanting to be around people, you know isolation. You know it comes in a variety for ways. I'm glad you hit on that. You know it. You know we have to be aware and I think it takes you know, other veterans to also, you know, try and identify it, or family members. If you know that you're you're you have a family member who was in the military and you're starting to you see some signs, to see some signs that they're a little bit different. You know, talk to him, be that open air, you know, or if for sure it's, you know, if he's they say, you know, see something, say something. It's kind of along those lines to right. If you know what they you know, what's the saying that, you know, the same person that goes to wars and the same person that comes back. And you know, you said, you know, people say, well, you're different, you're different, you know.

I mean I've seen it in friends and you know people that are you know, was in the military with like came back and it's just like you don't know what it is, but it's there's something different about them, you know. And then you know it's with any help, you know, and just nobody knows. You know, they don't know where to go. Definitely, man, this is just this it's not normal to talk about. You know, it's starting to become normal, but it's not. And Yeah, if you're not an expert in these fields and you don't know where to turn, to turn to these experts. Don't do go youtube and shade or googling something or Web and Dean and and be like I'm good. No, talking to these experts. Get it, get a professional opinion, seek the help, even just going for one appointment or just a phone call and then see what they say. Yep, yeah, for sure. You know, it might be somebody taking somebody else, another better who's been through it. You know, to talk to them too, you know, because, yeah, definitely stigma. You know, people are in the military. You know they're you don't get a you know, until recently, you know, there's no training on that. You know. I mean you think about like veteran, you know, in like engagements prior to, you know, the last twenty years. You know, Vietnam Veterans Or, you know, Korea were you know, they came back. Those guys probably had no help. You know, every thing. Like how many Vietnam vets are out there? Like man, think about what those guys saw and there's like no, suppose no support system for those. Way they came home. Most of the time those guys were like hated even when they got back. Yeah, they didn't even want people didn't even want them back. Yeah, so, I mean they have it from, you know, both ends. That's it's it's messed up. It's messed up. So I think even till recently, you know, people say hey, you know, don't forget about these guys too. Yeah, and thing you kind of brought up to is that you know the fact that just because you're you know, your family member, you're vetching, got out of the military or anything, you're not seeing those signs right then there, you're not seeing them when you're in or right as you got out. That doesn't mean that it's not going to come up somewhere else. It's not going to, you know, pop up. The anxiety's going to pop them so or you're gonna have that trigger somewhere else that's gonna, you know, bring that out, that out of you. You might not even know it. You might it might take time, it might be something that you know, just the smell of something that just reminds you and brings you know it's it's not it just because it doesn't come out right away. And you know, I think about, I really think about like law enforcement and fire, you fire and the Ms. you know, you know your first responders. There's people you know they're in high stressurfy. You got lots of veterans that go into these, you know, fields, these you know fire, MS, police and or anything like that, and then they're adding and adding to it and then, you know, it builds up and eventually, at some time, at some point, it starts overflow and you start to see that. So, you know, I think, I think that you know, these first responders to stuff, you know the part there are veterans and stuff. They you know, they're affected to. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah, and there's, like said, there's a lot of people that come out of the military are in, you know, the go to these first responder jobs to. So I mean it's it's like a double whammy. Sure, yeah, yeah, in one war and into another, out of one warrant into another. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. That's a yeah, that's a that's a good way of saying it. Yeah, you yeah, that never thought it that way. Sure, yeah, the damn it. Why do I got to make so much sense? Sometimes it's hard. It's hard being right all the time. Man. It's Oh, well, somebody else and you'll take the reins for a little bit, take over, because Indians. You guys want to add to this for wrap this episode up? Yeay, Ay, we've been taking care of cousin aunt was out here. Man. We've made sure nobody's been out here putting the third hook in on him, like Ha, there you go. Thank you for you know...

...what that's? We're gonna have to do an episode on the Third Hook, man, because of that's like us, the sack I link killer. People don't know about that. People think I'd be joking around, but when you get the third hook, you know you got the third hook and you ain't man, and if you are, then watch out. He came back like out here man doing all these different like guards, Cobra guard and everybody. I'm like, I was like, man, what is this? Aunt like, trying to submit him and it just not working. Let me show you something, and it's just, you know, he's taking me under his wing yet again. Hey, that's what's up. Spread that Ravali Jiujutsu coast to coast, Cuz show Victor said, Vante is our good stuff out. So He's like, let me show you, I got this, I got you. We're taking awesome man, learning some stuff that's blowing my mind, man. I like some concepts and just blow my mind and I'm just like, Matt, I gotta share it, I gotta share it. Yeah, Hey, yeah, that's what we that's what we do, man, spread that knowledge. But I can't share with everyone at the gym. I've only picked Steve to share this with because I need you know, I can't let everybody know the secrets. Well, yeah, you unleash it. Yeah, great power comes great responsibility. And exactly when the BGJ fanatics DVD comes out, they'll know master Sir Hook. So well, Steve, thank you so much for joining us, taking some time out of your night. Man, I know it's getting laid out there, but thank you for joining us, thanks for you for taking care of my cousin making sure that Third Hook don't get in there. Yeah, man, I appreciate thanks for having me on. Guys. Yeah, because anything you want to say before we wrap this up? Yeah, man, just thanks for having me out again. Last thing, you know, if you're a service member or veteran or maybe a family friend or whatever, and you are you do have a family member that is in crisis, a veteran, there is a veteran crisis line. It's one eight hundred two, seven, three eight two fifty five, or you can text eight, three eight two fifty five. It's twenty four seven. You can also go online at ww w veteran crisis line, dinet. Again, that number for the veteran crisis line is one eight hundred two, seven, three, eight two fifty five, or text eight thirty eight two fifty five. And thanks again, Cuz, for having me on. Loved Love Be Internet. Yeah, for sure, man. We had to be shared some awesome information. Hopefully all you listeners out there enjoyed it. One more time. We defy foundation can be found at we de five foundation dot Org. Submit the HASHTAG. Submit the stigma can be found at submit the stigma dot org. And GIES FOR GIS DOT RG. And one more time. If you got some extra Jiu Jitsu equipment out there or gies, rash guards shorts and they're just sitting your garage or in a jeor somewhere, let us know. Maybe we can pick them up when we can send them a nice little care package. That's off for today's episode. Again one more time, hope everybody enjoyed it. Thank you all for listening. If you have some extra time, hit over to our website at www dot jug. That s to Secom, where you can find all our content. Until next time, you get that those cheap rolling and training if you can, and we hope to hear from you soon. Peace. This is the motivation.

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