Jiu-Jiteiros C2C
Jiu-Jiteiros C2C

Episode 94 · 3 months ago

Meet Geoff Real BJJ blackbelt extraordinaire


In this episode we get the chance to sit and talk to head instructor of Alpine BJJ Geoff "Real Deal" Real. Fresh off ADCC west coast trials, we talk competition mindset, over coming adversity and jiu-jitsu

This is the motivation, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Jugit Deals Coast to coast, the podcast that talks about what's important on and off the mats. As you guys all know, West Coast ADCC try files, the largest trials in the history of ADCC, just wrapped up not too long ago. ME AND COUSIN ATT were there. We saw Cuz how many amazing Jiujit deal wizards did we see that working out there? Oh my God man, there was so many like the whole weekend. I was pumped, I was motivated. I mean watching everyone out there just got me, man. I seen legends like just walking around like like nothing, just walking around, ging and meet everybody, seeing different styles and watching that. You know what we talked about on the show all the time, that family dynamic in Jiu Jitsu that you know, all of us, you know military and veterans, we all look for when we joined. You know Jiujitsu. We saw it there and I cannot tell you how amazing that that event was, because the vibe just was amazing. You know what I mean. You talk about family, you talk about teams traveling together supporting each other. I was talking with our guests a little while ago and I said I feel like my game just let my game level just by being in the a scene vicinity as these people. With that being said, I want to welcome our newest guests to the show, Mr Jeff, the real deal, Real Jeff, welcome to the Jiujitdail neighborhood brother. How you doing? I'm doing awesome. Appreciate you having me on. You know, this is is a very cool thing to be a part of, so I'm very grateful. So thank you, guys, no problem, they because how you doing this Sunday morning? Man, I'm great. Man, I'm doing good. Had that giants game yesterday, but I'm really looking forward to talking to Jeff and and got some, you know, huge questions. I want to talk to him. For All you listeners out there who don't know, like we met Jeff this past weekend. It at ADCC trials, man, and this guy right here we ended up. I don't know how it just happened to click, but he was actually competing right at the Mat, right in front of us. We didn't know him, but after watching him compete and once you guys get to know him, wow, man, blew my mind away. Made I mean we were talking about this at the Matt. There is no way we can go to train, not go to train when you know we got guys like this competiting at this level and taking it to that. Yeah, man, Oh my God, man, I'm super stoked. Man, I can't wait to get into this interview. Yeah, for sure. Well, let's just jump into these questions real quick because we just talked to Jeff. He's on his way to Legion Open Matt about to put it down. Jeff, we always start our first art interview with this staple question here, just to kind of set the mood a little bit. Jeff, do you have a favorite martial arts motivational movie that you watch to pump you up every now and then? We'd had a lot of a lot of answers in the past. Blood Sport, we've had karate kid, we've had just cream of the crop, all kinds of stuff all over the place. ANYTHING COME TO MINE? You know, it's funny. You you know you had this question because this is actually, you know, something that like I resonated very well with and my answers not your typical like rocky blood sport or even rump on the Bronx it's it's Fike Club, one hundred problem a little while, but fight club. That'll just, you know, get me back in the zone without that's what sub that brings bat that movie Brings Back Awesome, Awesome Memories. Member, because that first house we moved into kill Yeah, Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, but we're not going to talk about Brad Pitt with the shirt off. I don't know why you always try to go there. All right, but I think the thing with Fike club that really, you know, stood out is just like that that you know, whatever or fuck it, mentality. You know where it's just, you know, no excuses, just get out there, you know, you know life can be a little gritty, it can be a little dark, but you know you're just gonna, you know, be in the zone. And you know, there's a quote, you know, that I actually had a dig up before I hopped on here. You know, it's the ability to let which does not matter, truly slide. And and with me, you know, it's you know, I've had a...

...lot of things happen in my life and you know, I how to just get through them and just ignore them or, you know, and just, you know, make it. You know, just stay, I guess, Make Myself Unaware of it, you know, even though it was like, you know, very, I guess, prevalent in my head. You know. So that's what's up. Yeah, yeah, that's great answer, Jack. That was deep, bro Ah, awesome. Thank you for answering that, of course. Course. Hey, so, Jeff, so, you know. So for us, you know, we just got to know you're not too long ago. And all the listeners out there, how did you get into Jiujitsu, like what got what made you get in bold, you know, how did it start? Like what did it was? Where's your career or your Jiujitsu paths start? Well, I started wrestling and middle school and and also high school, and my senior year I had a friend was he was like an anti wrestler guy and and he started training Jiu Jitsu and asked if I was interested in joining him. And and I was a little bit more hip to the UFC, especially because it was two thousand and six and that was during like the era where you know, Stephen Bonner and forest Griffin fod and you know, and Hoyst Graci's returned back to the cage and all that. So, you know, it definitely was was something I was interested in. So, you know, I was I was wrestling at the time when I first rolled Jiu Jitsu with my friend before actually going to the gym, and shortly after wrestling season I ended up just joining the the official Jiujitsu Academy over in my old hometown, you might a Z and yeah, from there just I just knew it just was, you know, that was it. That was something I was really you know, I was naturally able to do, especially from my wrestling background. So yeah, really, you know, just felt natural, felt right and that's cool. So I was almost like a love at first sight kind of deal. Absolutely, yeah, I mean he, my friend, showed me a couple moves and we rolled and, you know, and he caught me, I caught him, and I'm like, okay, I think, I think I like this. You know, it's very, very relative to what I was what I was already doing and you know, and my even in wrestling it wasn't so much my takedowns but like the actual like round mat work, you know, being in the referee position, starting their top or bottom. That's where I was definitely a little bit more successful. So going too Jiu Jitsu was just like such a great transition. Now, did you have a did you have any issues like like would in your regards like wrestling? You know, you talked to some wrestlers and they say like's they're used to be in the same position. It, you know, is like on giving their back, but being on the you know, their stomach, this is like they're safe place, you know, and wrestling versus like Jiu Jitsu, you don't want to give up your back. Did you have any of that, those issues, or, you know, anytime I would venture into a different combat sport, I really, I really did my best to to stay specific or focused on that, you know, whatever it was. You know, I even did judo for a little bit and you know, and there are certain things you could not do in judo that you would do in Jiu Jitsu. So so when I went from wrestling to Jiu Jitsu, it's like, okay, I can fight off my back. All right, I'm not. I don't automatically lose. I got more time to fight. So because, you know, in wrestling you get pinned, it's like that's it. It's just like, well, that was only twenty, thirty seconds. You give another shocker, you know. You know what Jiu Jitsu. It really opened up more time on the Mat, more opportunity to be on the mat compete as much as I wanted. So, you know, transitioning, especially with the techniques and not giving up my back. I mean I would still have terrible habits as a wrestler going into Jiu Jitsu, but eventually I was able to break them all and and you know, eventually become more of a Jiu Jitsu guy than I was a wrestler guy, to be honest. All Right, well, Jeff, what uh? Speaking of early Jiujitsu, what do you remember about those early days? Was it? Was it a lot of rough lessons? Was it a lot of being the he being the nail, as you some people would say? What stood out to you the most? You know, it was the the type of Jim Culture I was more introduced to was was very,... know, it is a very hobbyist Jim the first gym I was at, and even been when I moved to San Diego and I started training over at Fabio Santo's. You know, there was a lot of like you kind of had to figure things out on your own and, you know, Blue Belt White through purple. You know, I played a lot of trial and air what I had to figure out to get to the next level. And and I did have mentors from time to time try to help me out give me their time. But but as far as competing in sport, I had to I had to cross train, I had to hit up open Matt's, I had to hit up all these different tournaments. I would ask my friends that were also competing, but we're also on you know, they were on other teams. So I would just pick everyone's brain on what to do, what not to do. What are all the world champions doing? You know, I even thought, you know, if maybe I should take a break from competing and just focus training at the gym to evolve my game so that when I go back and compete I'll do a little better. And then someone revealed to me as like Nah, Dude, you want to compete all the time, as much as possible. That's how those top competitors get better. Is and it's so from that I was like, all right, I got to compete at every tournament I possibly can get get into that's close by, you know, not too out of the way. So so and so that's cound the most success where your gain just exploded kind of like, you know, it's I I always had these these epiphany moments where, you know, I would I would go compete or I would go to a you know, a seminar or maybe a training camp and and, like I said, I had to do a lot of my own seeking and searching for for extra work, you know, especially, you know, and I would do paenams or worlds. I wouldn't make it a point to go to another like high level gym to train. You know, like I said, some of the gym's I was at was very recreational hobbyists, which, you know, it's totally fine. You know, you definitely need, you know, the the hobbyists and the recreationalist at the gym. You know that the competitors, they don't they don't pay memberships. You know, the recreationalist do. But as a competitor, you know you have to be around other competitors in order to, you know, have success. So once I started opening the door more towards you know, cross training and meeting other guys that were also younger and competing on a regular basis, I would just constantly pick their brains on what I needed to do. And and some of those friends I'm still friends with eventually became teammates with at autos and, you know, I have a friend that was when I was a brown belt. He was a blue belt, but he was just a very active competitor and, you know, and even now I still use moosy taught me when he was, you know, a lower rank than me, you know, but just the level of training which where I was at versus where he was and used to you know, was, you know, much different. So once I got around like these types of individuals, I kind of stuck to them and and try to try to learn as much as I could. You know, that's really what it came down to for me was, you know, meeting other young competitors that have done well and what are they doing? What do I need to do? So that's pretty much like the majority of my journey from white to to black. All right, so just keep an open mind and being being open to learning from anybody and everyone. That's yes, yeah, that's what I did. You just mind for sure. Thanks, Jeff. So my question is, will you, and this kind of like a two parter question. Yeah, you mentioned, like you know, the recreational Jiujit Deo, and then you also talked about the competitor. What makes someone, and I this is a question for me, like going watching you guys at atfee feed like I would consider myself like that, recreational, you know. I you know, I go to work and then I trained, stuff like that, but always interested in that next level. And they watching you guys, you know at ATC see it's like okay, yes, I I want to be a part of that life. I want I want to do that. What would you tell, you know, our listeners who are in the same boat? They want to who get to that competter? What makes someone a competitor or, you...

...know, get to that level? How would you describe it? I think to, you know, be in the category of an active competitor, you know, someone that's, you know, putting in as much training sessions as possible, obviously every day, you know, six days a week, and then also a strength and conditioning and, you know, maybe other sessions. If there's you know, if this person has like a job or career, which there are guys that are out there that, you know, we've seen as a high level level competitors. They have regular jobs. You know, I forget who it was at the trials, that one, but he's a lawyer, you know, and I guess he won the trials previously, and so that tells me that guy is probably, you know, training before and after work or maybe doing some lifting before work and then training after work. But I mean no one, no one gets to win the trials, you know, just simply training, you know, three, four times a week. You know, I think it's a like a six days, six day a week, couple times a day, you know, just seven focus, you know. But you know, like I said, there there's levels, there's there there are some guys who are just completely not doing anything. They don't have jobs but have all this free time. Do Compete on a regular basis, but what I put them in the category of being as focused as the guy that's really having a just grind it out even with the job, you know. So those guys who do well as competitors that have other careers or jobbed as priorities, you know, they they're definitely a competitor. You know, in fact, I commend those guys that have to work a nine hundred and twenty five and and still win. You know, it's that's nuts. To me. You know, where I see a lot of Jiu Jitsu guys who are all they have to do is go to the gym and train, but their focus isn't as as strong, which which is kind of sad because, you know, it's like you can't waste super if you have all these yes, way, way, definitely, wow, man, Dang. Yeah, that's fucking that's awesome and that awesome. So I is that, like, is that how you got out to California, because I know you mentioned that you were out in Arizona before you started off. They're like, how did that happen? How did you transition from Arizona to California? So I was actually very lucky being able to move from Arizona to San Diego. My Dad, he is in the Marine Corps for thirty years and in two thousand and seven have the opportunity to transfer over to San Diego and asked if I wanted to go with and of course I I was more than stoked for it. You know, I loved California. You know, I've been visiting California since I was in since I was a baby, but when I was older and had come up with friends, either to train or hang out. I just like it was just my vibe. So when he, when my dad asked, I was like yes, let's do it. So that's how eventually I got out here. But there was a little are where my dad actually transferred out to Florida and I kind of stayed behind just to stick it out, and then eventually I followed him over to Florida and and trained out there for a year. Wow, okay, so is that? And so how did you end up back in Sandigo? So He, my dad, actually got transferred back to Arizona, back to the back to my hometown and and so I went back to to Yuma and I had just gotten promoted as a black belt in two thousand and twelve and and was back at my my original gym. You know that I started off as a white belt and and my goal going back was to help out the gym train compete as a black belt. And this was a very small school that only had, I think, three classes at the time. So I up the schedule so like thirteen classes a week and so I can get some extra training in teach, you know, give back to my old gym. And during this era when I was in Yuma, I thought, and so for me at the time of...

...this was huge. You know, my first, I think my first tournament as a black belt was against tanner ice and he was a brown belt world champ. Oh My yes, and and then second tournament was was ver Yoshita, and third ways man. Now, Tara, Dude, you jump right into the deep ind buddy. Yes, and then both Mendes Bros and then Ben Henderson and, you know, Sameer, Shan Tree, Jackson Suza. You know, it was it was just nuts, it was. And I was just training in a small town at a smallness, very small gym, just trying to grind it out as much as I could, do as much as I, you know, possibly could based on the information I was getting from, you know whoever, all those other competitors that I was still in touch with, and eventually it just got to the point where I had to move back to in Diego and and so I, you know, I left my hometown. I ended up rooming with a bunch of Friends of mine that were training at autos and and this kind of like started this, you know, this interaction with with autos, where I would go in every once in a while the cross chain, but you know, at the time I just couldn't, I couldn't, you know, I couldn't make ends meet to be able to, you know, be a member. So I was over at victory, victory MMA for for a few years, and I trained with Jeff Glover, Dean Lister and Chris Leeban was also my mma coach, you know, at the time. So moving back to San Diego, I was you know, it was a it was a great opportunity for me to really expand my Jiujitsu. So, yeah, I just after after a year in Arizona, you know, I just I just couldn't handle it anymore. The heat is unbearable and and and it's and more more, you know, specifically, you know, the training wasn't what I needed it to be. So I just, you know, I had to make the decision. I'm like, you know, it breaks my heart to have to leave my hometown and and this this cool little gym that, you know, was I was a part of. But you know, I just gotta, you know, do what's best for me and and, you know, make that move. And so I did. And and not honestly, it worked out because training and you know, training at victory MMA, I never been in a gym where you could train noogie twice a day. You know, the the gym's I was at, from white to black. Prior to that, you know, was a most majority gie focus school and and it's and it's kind of weird because I was always better in Noogie, even, as you know, coming up as a white, blue, purple Brown. But majority of the events I did we're all gee. But when I finally went to victory, I was able to train noogie, you know, as much as I wanted and I was just like wow, this is awesome, you know, like these guys don't care if I if I'm never in the yee, you know, which was a which was kind of like a you know, a weird moment because I was just so used to training, you know, gie every day, twice a day. Yeah, that's just kind of the norm, I guess. But as the game evolves, you know, I'm an older Jiugit deal, Jeff, and the more I spend time doing Jiujutsu, the more I start to appreciate Noogie a little bit more. And then, I mean and then just looking at we what we saw on the trials, I never in my life have ever seen a pace like that weekend. Every match was just go, go, go, get up. There's no rest. He's just constant. It's an action man. It was awesome and I loved it. One thing that I that I noticed about you, though, Jeff, like, from the moment even before your match started, from the moment you you were in the match, you were completely zoned in, like it I was almost like we weren't even there. And then once the match was over, then you would like acknowledged everybody that was out in the crowd. How did you keep so mellow, so cool, so reserved when you're waiting for your match to begin? You know, it's it's definitely taken a lot of a lot of you know, good losses, bad losses. You know, the accumulation of competition experience, you know, has allowed me to, you know, not get two worked up, you know, in the sense and like, you know, where overthinking things. But I also know what I need, you know, and and I know some people like to meditate or,... know, chill out or be quiet or still, but for me it's, you know, I kind of have to keep myself above a certain heart rate or or, I guess, mental flow where, you know, I'm I'm about to engage in a very physical activity, you know, or where someone is, you know, trying to beat me up, essentially. So yeah, you know it's as far as combat goes. You I've fought MMA, amateur and pro. I've also boxed. You know, I've done Ebi shows, Combat Jiu Jitsu shows. You know, it's and I've definitely fight to win as well, and I've definitely felt nervous in all of it. But you know, this trials, I you know it was it was kind of like a point where I just told myself, like, you know what I put in, all the work, I have, all this experience. I warmed up, I drilled the way I needed to. I you know, I cut my weight the way it should have been cut. Just everything lined up perfectly, you know, and and and it's not always that way. You know, it's you know a lot of people have trial and error where they, you know, mess up on like one or two things or maybe everything, you know, and but you know, after all this experience, all these you know, all these moments, you know, it just lined up perfect. We're like, I knew what my game plan was. I know what to expect. You know, two weeks before trials, I did the LA open and I got smoked by this young kid. So that really woke me up. I'm like, okay, this kids in the trials too, so I gotta, I gotta just, you know, be ready. You know, it's like no excuses, you know, like I don't care if I feel tired or or if I feel like I didn't drink enough water or like, when it's on, it's on. You know, and do whatever you need to do afterwards, but you know, as far as right before the mat or the match, getting to the Mat, you know, and it's just I know everything is lined up the way I needed it too. So like every match at trials, even my last one, I'm like, okay, this is it, this is where I send it, this is where I really make it happen, where I put it all together. And you know, and with the amount of like the amount of experience I have them, I'm truly confident and what I have to bring to the table. You're at a level where you trust your Jiu Jitsu. You know, you're fine. Yes, one hundred percent. You know, it's like I know what I'm capable of, I know what I'm not able to do, you know, as far as like what's in my game what's not in my game. So it's like once if I just stick to the game plan, you know, I'm I know I'm going to do more than well, wow, man, that's definitely on and off the mad. This is definitely like motivational right. You know, listening to this, you know, I know I listeners are probably going to be, you know, saying the same thing. You know, but you know, thout your your you know, career and you know you be doing Jiujitsu, like what would what things have you had to overcome? You know they you know, do out your route. Well, you know, obviously you know I was born with with one hand, but I never felt like that, you know, hindered me. You know, other people always see it as like, as a disadvantage. You know, for me it's less like this is natural for me, you know, and I've a beaten so many, you know, people in different combat sports, from wrestling to Jiu Jitsu to him and made a boxing, you know, even judo. You know, it's never I've never seen it as like, you know what I'm just you know, I'm probably going to lose this. No, in my head. In my head I'm like winning every match. I'm like even knocking people out, even though I'm not a striker, but like that's like my mentality of I'm I'm going to bring the fight in whatever fight it is. But you know, as far as things I've had to overcome, you know, I've I've had to modify my Jiujitsu game for, you know, having one hand, and you know, and I have a very, you know, somewhat of a Jean Jacques approach with the Overhook Underhook System. Of course everyone since day one mentioned him. But you know, as far as having one hand, it's been a walk in the park from me, you know, lifewise compared to you know, I've...

...had some health issues. You know, the when I moved back from Arizona back to San Diego in two thousand and thirteen, you know, I I finally meddled at at the at noogie world's. My first title ever at the world's was that black belt. And then, you know, shortly after this, you know, I was diagnosed with cancer and hear that and so that that, you know, definitely took me out of the game for a few months. You know, I've had these health issues you know where I had a check up on since high school. You know, cancer happened when I was twenty six and I've had other things happen, you know, prior to that, when I was like sixteen, Fifteen. So the these, you know, medical concerns have have definitely, you know, been somewhat of an obstacle, but you know, I've always recovered. I've always, you know, had the proper treatment, you know, did what I needed to to, you know, be healthy again. And you know, and even though I had, you know, gesticular cancer and I had it removed surgically. You know, six, seven months after that, I had my first amateur MMA fight and one and one within like a mini mid a minute thirty. RNC, you are a monster. Yeah, Daddy, how did you what did that feel? Man? How did you feel after that? You know, it felt a lot like that after that win at trials. You know where I was just my head exploded, you know, it's it was just like I did it. You know, I knew I could do it. I put my mind to it, you know, and a lot of people would have probably, you know, taken a break from Jiujitsu or and the May. I just I was just looking for my my fastest route back to it and and then just come back with a vengeance, you know, and prove to you know, myself and everyone around me, because, you know, I know, I know people doubt me and and it's funny because they don't. They doubt me till I do something really epic and then they're like, I knew you could do it, and and so it's just kind of funny to see people's like attitudes change, you know, when I when I when I have these like really cool moments, you know, just like the one at trials, you know, like that that felt a lot like my first amateur van may fight, you know, getting that real naked choke and now was, you know, super pumped, and you know I was. You know, I I can't. It's hard to describe such an awesome feeling, but just knowing that you like set a goal for yourself and put in all the work and and totally crushed it. I mean that there's nothing better than that. That's awesome. Man. You grab this on that. Yeah, definitely. Do you. Do you ever find like? Do you do you ever find like people like underestimate you because of that all the time? All that since day one. You know, I I remember and high school wrestling, this this other wrestler that I was about to face off with. He was talking smack to his teammates and and obviously he was talking about me having one hand and I'm like, Oh hell no, yeah, so, you know, I remember I picked I like one of my fastest pins ever in restling, you know, what was against this kid, and I remember how upset he was afterwards, like he was talking all that smack and then, you know, totally got owned and, you know, just punched, hit the Mat, started cursing, you know, and it's and that's not the only time. You know, I've had other people react the same way in other situations, you know, pencration and May Jiujitsu. You know, it's it's I don't know, I mean I don't take it personally. I just find it more funny than anything. Well, man, I can definitely say watching you on the mats like there's there's no difference, like you definitely show out on the mads like it. You would. I mean for all my our veteran listeners, and you know we've listened, you know, have listened like on our Vecho's episodes or talk about it and they talked about like missing limbs and stuff like that and, you know, going out there and competing and, you know, binding Jiujitsu as their way. Like this guy right here, this is the guy you want to go watch, because it's like it's not I don't even know what the words are, man, and watching you out there, it was like what you didn't have. Yeah,...'s rational, man. It was freaking awesome, you know. And if anybody thinks that, you know, he's you know, to overlooking around. And Yeah, yeah, leas, it was rick sat yeah, a lea mistaken, because that that shit was quick that you were on him like it was like like butter on bread. Man. That was freaking awesome, you know. And you know, to add, you know, to to this experience at trials, you know, after the East Coast trials, you know, I was I was training extremely hard, like it was like a nonstop camp from what it seemed like July to October. You know, we had the WHO's number one camp for the rutolo twins, you know, Halfayolla and kind of, and so we were doing like fifteen minute rounds in that camp and and it was just so gnarly. And then you know my girl and I we we did fight twin San Diego, September, October, we didn't know you worlds. November we did east coast trials. So it was non stop. But you know, I started to ignore some some some injuries. You know that we're kind of bothering me, but I was kind of like just trying to train through it. And and I go to MMA practice and and we're just doing like simple stuff and I roll and snap my ankle like really low and this is like a week or two after east coast trials, so this is back in November. I could not walk correctly or without assistance for a month or two, I think. I would say like for a couple months. I needed like crutches, a cane, you knows, limping. I could not even roll. I would like try to roll with like my my kids, students, you know, but I'm like that's that's still a little, you know, uncomfortable. So pay yeah, yeah, a lot of pain, you know. And so I you know, I did my rehab. I started to lift, I started to roll, very limited, you know, there was not so much too much I could do. You know, if someone was on my leg, I had a tap ride away, or there was like a weird past they were doing where they were grabbing my leg. I would just let them pass. You know, its just like yeah, you got it, you know, and I'm I'm just getting wrecked and submitted over and over again. So, like, my training was very, very challenging. You know. It was like man, how am I going to do at trials? You know, and I still signed up in January, as soon as they drop the announcement, I got my I've got my registration, paid for, plane tickets. You know, I was in, even with my ankle being as messed up as it was. But you know, to go from that to, you know, doing having a really good run at trials where I hit moves that I'd been drilling nonstop, or it's like if I ever going to hit this, you know, and sure enough, like at that second match, you guys were watching like that's one of the moves, that one of the back transitions I've been really working on and Oh man. So it was just awesome for everything to come together and, you know, and despite the ankle and you know and everything else, is just like here we are, you know, or there's no turning back, like we're just who knows, you're always nothing. All in whot be expect nothing and be pleasantly surprised. You know. Yeah, Jeff Um, all the listeners out there and all of us, you know, we all know that you Jutsu's given us so much. You know, some of us it's delivered us from some God places, help us make friends, helped us keep friends, showed us to be humble and better people on and off the mets. What do you feel is the most important thing Jiu Jitsu has given you? Jiujitsu has given me strong identity, you know, strong self esteem, confidence. You know I was. I was a very, you know, shy, timid, you know, easily embarrassed growing up. You know, I just you know what Jiu Jitsu and, you know, combat sports in general, it really give. You gave me, you know, a sense of self, pride and you know, and just knowing, I could accomplish things that, you know, to a lot of people, seem damn near impossible for someone in my you know, quote unquote, situation, you know, or special circumstances. But you know, with with everything that has happened, you know all the good, all the awesome moments and and even the low moments help me put things in perspective, you know, but you it's Jiujitsu has just given me such a strong, healthy lifestyle and,... know, and confidence I don't think I would have been able to achieve through anything else. Right on, great answer. Thank you, Jeff. So, Jeff, I mean. Yeah, head coach in a beautiful city, Black Belloty, Jiu Jitsu. Some some would say that is already a lifetime of accomplishments, and they would be correct, obviously. You know, along with everything else, you know, you mentioned, you know, combat sports and over you know, coming adversity and everything. What what drives you and what else would you like to accomplish in the sport? Like, what's your next level? Where you going from here? You know, my goal ultimately is to be noogie world champ, noogie Panam Champ, American national noogie champ. Those are my those are definitely like the titles that I'm chasing, you know, and what drives me is just knowing that the more I up my level in Jiu Jitsu, the more I'm I'm able to up my my programs level, you know, at my my gym and Alpine, the more I get out there and become, you know, or continue to become, a strong example to my students and members of what it is to not give any excuses and just to do your best. You know, and and I've lost. You know, I've lost a lot of first round, you know, tournaments. You know, lost for fround matches and you know, I know and for a lot of people that they shut down mentally or get discourage and you know that I don't think competings for me, you know, and if I had, if I had that mentality, I would have quit I don't know how many times. You know, because because I've because as much as I've won, I've definitely lost, you know, and I've had a lot of losses and you know, and I just keep coming back and you know, because I know I can do well and I know I'm going to have, you know, a tournament where it's just going to all line up perfectly for me, especially if I'm consistent with the hard work and you know, and it continuing to grow and learn. You know, I know it's just gonna it's bound to happen. You know, probability. You know, with the amount that you put in, you know it's something's going to come out, you know. So that's why it's I always follow the the quote. You know, you miss all the opportunities you don't like take. So right, yeah, that's that's kind of that's where I'm at. You know, I've just as long as I if I up my level, everyone around me levels up, and so do. I mean do you. How do you balance that, man? I mean how do you balance where you want to get all that you're doing in this sport and like your personal I've like you. We were met, talking about how you're on your way to open Maut with your girlpen and everything. How do you balance all that? You know, I just make sure to rest when it's time to rest. You know, I I'll make time to hang out with friends when it when it works out for everybody. You know, I'm definitely more of a homebody than I have been in the past. You know, I love San Diego for so many reasons and and there's been times in my life where I love the the fun part of San Diego a little too much. You know so. And and you know I used to be a security guard, bouncer, security manager over in downtown gas lamp area and a couple different spots and some stories. Oh, I definitely do, you know, but it was it was mostly, you know, a job that I needed to help pave the way or help me continue to chase my Jiujitsu goals and dreams. And I also have a May at the time. So but now that I'm, you know, away from all that and I have a school and I train full time, I I definitely have to, you know, allow myself to rest correctly and and get in as much of my own down time as possible. You know, the past few weeks, you know, I was traveling every weekend. I think four weeks in a row I went to, you know, somewhere else. You know, I was, you know, went down to Arizona to to train and teach a couple privates. Following weekend I went to Ventora to have a super fight with ajagas arm. Following weekend I was at the La Open, and then the weekend after that I was coaching all... students and members at World League in del Mar and then last weekend was Vegas. So this so, needless to say, this week I've been, you know, I've been resting as much as I can and in let my body heal and, you know, and now it's like, okay, you know, I didn't train Friday or or Thursday. So, you know, I did some Yoga and now I'm going to hit up open Matt on Sundays and Sundays I usually chill or drill or both. You know, I'll do we'll do some very light drilling, but, you know, Sundays I usually don't train, you know. So, you know, I figure let's mix it up, you know, have that balance. You know, I've rested a little bit and I've been wanting to come to, you know, Open Matt at Legion for a while, you know. You know all my friends have gone. I just haven't gone because Sundays are more, you know, for me. You know. So, yeah, the rest is very important, you know, it's that's how I'm that's the only way I'm able to, you know, keep going, you know. And and last year I was I was hustling so hard in the in the Jiu jitsu grind, that I was definitely feeling burnt out, you know. or I would come home on a Saturday after being at the gym for like six hours teaching, you know, teaching, drilling, you know, whatever it was, and I was so tired, I couldn't eat, too tired to like shower, too tired to I want to do anything, you know. So you know, this year I'm making it a priority to really we truly have that balance, you know, and not and not stress so much. You know, if if I don't need to stress about something, I'm not going to. You know, it's it's definitely, you know, stressful kill you before anything else will right. Most definitely don't sweat the small stuff. So that's a perfect segment to this to this next question. What is there anything that you found outside of Jiu Jitsu that you think might even help your Jiujitsu or your mental health? You know, me and my buddy during the pain and Theem you know, we couldn't train. I wanted to get a mountain bike because I moved up into the foothills, but I couldn't find one and I ended up finding a skateboard. Me and my buddy just started skating because we're in the central valley, we don't have the beach, but when we do get to the beach we do also like to try to surf, even though we suck at it, but it's an often distraction, you know, when we're doing those types of activities, I feel like I'm just I'm in the zone and nothing else exists. Do you have anything like that? You know, my girlfriend and I, we like to hike, you know. You know, a couple times a year, you know. You know, past year or so we've been going up to big bear and that's it's so awesome to get away and be in the outdoors and get some fresh air and, you know, venture out into the into nature and, you know, and and just, you know, just find some nice relaxing views. But hiking is definitely something we enjoy. You know, I have surfed in the past, you know, and and I always you know, my friends, my teammates and friends, are always like, Ahff, we got to go surfing, you know, but we haven't. We haven't really made it happy yet. But that's because everyone's schedules are so busy, you know. It's like, you know, I have some you know, the some teammates who routolo's. They'll like always mentioned surfing, but they're always traveling, you know, and I'm always teaching at my gym and Alpine, so it's kind of hard to find these you know, these these rendezvous you know, to surf. But yeah, we're outside of that though, you know. You know, I definitely enjoy you know, jogging, running at the beach with my girlfriend, hiking. You know, we'll go check out some parks will, you know, will definitely treat ourselves to, you know, eating out when we would deserve it. So yeah, that's kind of like my my goat too. You know, we recently just did yoga at the studio that, you know, that I went to a while ago when I first was a you know, and I was a training as a purple belt. But yeah, you know, it's these are these are the kind of things I like to do outside of Jiu Jitsu. That's awesome, man. Well, if you're ever in the area, we're like forty five minutes from the door of you seventy national park. There's some nice views out there too. Nice. Yeah, that's...

...definitely something we're always planning, like her and I are like trying to plan some, you know, National Park visits or, you know, the red woods or you know just anything that's, you know, breathtaking. We recently were in Colorado, you know, we went up there for our birthday and it was I mean we denver is not the best repertation representation of Ardo. Yeah, once we got outside of Denver, you know, we went to a red rock amphitheater. It was yellow. NOPE, amazing. Yeah, I used to live live out there, so, yeah, I could definitely test for that, man. It's awesome. Well, Jeff, that was my last question, because do you have any more questions for Jeff? No, man, no, sure don't. Well, Jeff, thank you so much, man. We're going to let you get going to your open man over there. It has been an honor, my brother. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day answer all our questions. Like I mentioned before, you really are true inspiration. Jeff. Thank you so much, man. I feel, and I mentioned this again, I feel like our Jutsu just leveled up and hopefully all, I'm sure I know all the listeners out there feel the same way. Thank you so much again. And is there anyone you'd like to mention or think before we wrap this up? Yes, definitely like to thank all my sponsors, my lucky gie, the the Jiujitaro. Obviously I'm wearing Jiujitaro, sure, right now. Yeah, I'll also electron performance auto's HQ. I'll Pine Jiu Jitsu, which is my home gym that I teach at. You know, like to thank my girlfriend, who's also a Badass purple belt. You know, she competes at every tournament that I'm at as well. You know, she's a huge, huge part of why my life is what it is now, you know, and recent years, my my Jiu Jitsu and my health has leveled up so much because of her, her her positive influence on me and, of course, all my friends and teammates. You know, that shows love and support and and especially all the new people out there that showed love after the trials. Appreciate everyone that was you know, you know, became a fan. Hey, yeah, man, make you so much. Yeah, thank you so much. After on that, I really we really appreciate you coming on the show, man, I and I reached out to you. I I said, man, super motivational. Watched your match and was like blown away. I mean, everyone out there is competing, you know, I mean the whole weekend was was amazing. But yeah, watching you out there getting it done, doing it that by that you had before during your match afterwards. Yeah, loved it, man, you know, and you know, definitely going to you know, be looking for you again out there on the mats watching, you know, watching your next one, your next win here and there and man, thank you so much for coming on the show. Of course. No. Thank you guys again for having on true honor man. Thank you so much, Jeff. That's a wrap, jiujit deals. We hope you enjoyed that interview. Hopefully it inspired you guys as much as it inspired us. Jeff, keep doing your thing, brother. We would love to have you come back on here when you got some extra time. Take care. Until next time, Jug deals, keep rolling and training and we hope to hear from you soon. Peace. This is the motivation.

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